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To: HarleyD; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; BrandtMichaels; wmfights; RnMomof7
, if the Church were to declare Mary to be co-equal in dispensing God’s grace, would you denounce the Church’s heretical views?

That would be heretical if Mary were proclaimed the source of grace. That we find Christ through Mary, and therefore receive all of His grace through Mary is in itself not heretical; it is a view held by many in the Church. Ad Iesum per Mariam, we often say.

My personal opinion is that, for sure, one outward sign of election is robust Marian devotion. On the other hand, the venom with which Marian devotions are met is a sure sign of a soul in great danger. I don't know if that i strue in absolutely every case, dogmatically, but this is a rule of thumb I have.

205 posted on 02/17/2010 5:29:49 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; HarleyD; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; BrandtMichaels; wmfights
That would be heretical if Mary were proclaimed the source of grace. That we find Christ through Mary, and therefore receive all of His grace through Mary is in itself not heretical; it is a view held by many in the Church. Ad Iesum per Mariam, we often say.

So it is ok to say Mary does not produce the holy water she just has possession of it and sprinkles it where SHE WILL?

How nice of God to give His unmerited favor to his mom and tell her to do with it as she will.. Do you have any evidence of this or is it all concocted by men?

My personal opinion is that, for sure, one outward sign of election is robust Marian devotion. On the other hand, the venom with which Marian devotions are met is a sure sign of a soul in great danger. I don't know if that i strue in absolutely every case, dogmatically, but this is a rule of thumb I have.

LOL ..I am sorry but there is no scriptural basis for any of this nonsense

How was grace distributed before Mary had the sprinkler?

Jhn 1:17 — For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Rom 1:5 — By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

263 posted on 02/17/2010 12:21:31 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: annalex; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; BrandtMichaels; wmfights; RnMomof7
My personal opinion is that, for sure, one outward sign of election is robust Marian devotion. On the other hand, the venom with which Marian devotions are met is a sure sign of a soul in great danger.

Hmmmm...I find just the opposite. I liken a robust Marian devotion to the same degree as Jeroboam create the two golden calves and proclaimed, "Here is your gods that brought you out of Egypt." or the "queen of heaven" of Jeremiah's time. People love to burn incense and bow down to statues. Idolatry is part of our nature.

We obviously see things differently.

418 posted on 02/17/2010 6:30:18 PM PST by HarleyD
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