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To: 1000 silverlings; editor-surveyor; the_conscience
she's not there in the first place

Verse 5 identifies the woman as the mother of a son, and in verse 10 the Son is identified as Christ. So that is Mary. My mental conditions have nothing to do with it.

1,378 posted on 02/20/2010 11:51:52 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; editor-surveyor; wmfights
The Catholic Church has taught you that Mary is the Queen of Heaven, although there is no biblical evidence to support the idea that this is so. In fact, the term is not Christian and is not a compliment to Mary.

Therefore you read about an adorned woman, (and many times in the OT and in prophecy, Israel is referred to as a "woman")and so you conclude that the woman is Mary. The rest of the passage provides evidence that the woman is in fact Israel, but your indoctrination and subjective bias sees something else. Again, this is serious as it leads down the road to gross error.

1,380 posted on 02/20/2010 12:02:43 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: annalex; editor-surveyor; the_conscience
Read this and tell us who the woman in labor is:

And in Jeremiah 31, is Mary being rebuilt?

Jeremiah 30:

4 Now these are the words that the LORD spoke concerning Israel and Judah.

5 “For thus says the LORD:

‘ We have heard a voice of trembling, Of fear, and not of peace.

6 Ask now, and see, Whether a man is ever in labor with child? So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins Like a woman in labor,

And all faces turned pale? 7 Alas! For that day is great, So that none is like it;

And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, But he shall be saved out of it. 8 ‘ For it shall come to pass in that day,’ Says the LORD of hosts,

‘ That I will break his yoke from your neck, And will burst your bonds; Foreigners shall no more enslave them. 9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, And David their king, Whom I will raise up for them.

10 ‘ Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the LORD, ‘ Nor be dismayed, O Israel;

For behold, I will save you from afar, And your seed from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet, And no one shall make him afraid.

11 For I am with you,’ says the LORD, ‘to save you; Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,

Yet I will not make a complete end of you. But I will correct you in justice, And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’

Jeremiah 31

The Remnant of Israel Saved

1 “At the same time,” says the LORD, “I will be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be My people.” 2 Thus says the LORD:

“ The people who survived the sword Found grace in the wilderness— Israel, when I went to give him rest.” 3 The LORD has appeared of old to me, saying:

“ Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting love; Therefore with lovingkindness I have drawn you. 4 Again I will build you, and you shall be rebuilt, O virgin of Israel!

You shall again be adorned with your tambourines, And shall go forth in the dances of those who rejoice. 5 You shall yet plant vines on the mountains of Samaria;

The planters shall plant and eat them as ordinary food. 6 For there shall be a day When the watchmen will cry on Mount Ephraim,

‘ Arise, and let us go up to Zion, To the LORD our God.’”

7 For thus says the LORD:

“ Sing with gladness for Jacob, And shout among the chief of the nations; Proclaim, give praise, and say,

‘ O LORD, save Your people, The remnant of Israel!’ ‘

1,387 posted on 02/20/2010 12:18:11 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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