Fill the Hearts of Your Faithful
and Kindle in them the Fire of Your Love,
Send Forth Your Spirit
and They Shall be Created
and You Shall Renew
The Face of the Earth. AMEN
Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII
The Scenario:
Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.
Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”
Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”
On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.
Step One:
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Sometimes your absurdities are sooooo funny.
Roman Catholic et al . . . hypothetical . . .
LOL.
That does not mean it is pleasing to God.
It steals the glory from Christ when men try to pay for their own sin
You miss Ven. Cardinal Newman's point entirely
No, I did not..but it was a suitable admission that much of the tradition followed by Catholics is not scripturally centered by Pagan centered..
You may not realize it, but Catholics didn't go to the same school of anti-Catholisism. I don't understand most of your "questions". It's like a liberal asking why are conservatives racist? What would your response be?
In regards to the Vatican, all I can say is by witnessing the shocking direction that groups such as the Episcopalians have taken in allowing homosexuality among their pastors, for example, I thank God for establishing an order as he has done with our church. Although as men we are imperfect, the fact that we have survived after 2,000 years, is certainly by the grace of God. Many other churches have come and gone, or morphed into some kind of new age cult. Meanwhile we remain THE LARGEST denomination of Christians in the world, and growing.
Regardless of any of that, our leader is Jesus, and I pray that the Holy Spirit continue to enlighten His servants, including the pope.
It is pleasing to God because it brings Him Glory.
It steals the glory from Christ when men try to pay for their own sin.
You're not describing the Catholic Church.
No, I did not...
Not only did you, but you'll do it again. Just watch:
...but it was a suitable admission that much of the tradition followed by Catholics is not scripturally centered by Pagan centered...
That's not what Cardinal Newman said at all, nor is it true.
You post a great many false statements about the Catholic Church.
As Satan wills.
Your last 2 paragraphs sound reasonable enough, to me.
I have no good idea what you’re trying to say in your first paragraph.
Thx for your kind reply.
She was blessed by God with the privilege of being the mother of Christ..she did noting to deserve this blessing ...
Going back to earlier in the thread..She was not asked if she would be the mother of Christ, she was told she would be and given His name.
God had given her a will that was in line with His ...
That was the beginning of God's plan for salvation. I find that beautifull. You may think it's meaningless. I don't. Why would you fault me for that?
That was not the beginning of the plan of salvation..that plan was set before the foundation of the world
You may dissagree, and that is between you and Jesus. The Jesus I know made it clear that love was the most important of all of God's commandments.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; that is the first and greatest commandment.. the second is like it..love your neighbor as yourself..
Like the 10 commandments these are 2 commandments that are impossible for the natural man to fulfill.
But one thing we do need to know is all the scriptures are all about Jesus, not Mary, He is to be the center of all of our worship..God will not share His glory with another
Fill the Hearts of Your Faithful
and Kindle in them the Fire of Your Love,
Send Forth Your Spirit
and They Shall be Created
and You Shall Renew
The Face of the Earth. AMEN
Was Mary’s mother sinless? How could a sinful womb carry a sinless child?
Nope, sorry. God gave man Free Will. We all have that Free Will, that is what distinguishes humanity. I wish I didn’t have it. Trust me.
If you get to Heaven, you can ask Him.
That formula makes the Holy Ghost a rapist.
You are veering into the unforgivable sin.
Gods grace brought her will in alignment with His..I did not say she did not will to obey, but just that she willed so because Gods grace had given her the will to say "do unto me according to thy word"
Were you attempting to answer the question(s) I asked Petronski about whether Mary required the shedding of Christ’s Blood for HER sins?
Adam and Eve had the perfect human nature that God created for them, BEFORE they fell. It’s not unreasonable to think that Mary could have that same perfect human nature by God applying Jesus’ sacrifice to her beforehand.
***The Holy Spirit’s role in the Incarnation is not the way you portrayed it.***
I am only stating what the Bible says. Explain it, then.
To anyone that wonders what is wrong with our courts, I would point to the constant dodging, weaving, evaporating, reappearing, deception that Mr P practices here.
No wonder this country is hogtied with insane regulations and ruthless tyrants.
And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; 23 (As it is written in the law of the LORD, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) 24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
Lev 12
nd the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 2 Speak to the children of Israel, and you shall say to them: If a woman having received seed shall bear a man child, she shall be unclean seven days, according to the days of separation of her flowers. 3 And on the eighth day the infant shall be circumcised: 4 But she shall remain three and thirty days in the blood of her purification. She shall touch no holy thing: neither shall she enter into the sanctuary, until the days of her purification, be fulfilled.
Petronski wrote:
“Do you really thing Ferraro’s book (even with the Imprimator and Nihil Obstat) is more authoritative than the Catechism of the Catholic Church?”
Dear Petronski, this is a rather evasive response. The point at issue is not whether one is more or less authoritative than the other. Quix’s point is that such assertions about the authority and role of Mary in mankind’s salvation as are recorded in said book have received official approval of the Catholic Church (that is, the church that accepts the authority of the Roman bishop).
The reason it is evasive should be evident to any careful reader. Nihil Obstat means, “nothing hinders,” that is to say, nothing contained in the designated book hinders the faith or life of any (Roman) Catholic reader. To make it even clear, it means that there is no contradiction of Catholic doctrine to be found in the book. To make it even clearer, it means there is no denial or error concerning anything that is found in, for example, “The Catechism of the Catholic Church.” The designation can only be made by the official censor of whichever jurisdiction the book appeared in. In this case, the censor is John G. Hogan. That step having been accomplished, it is up to the top ecclesiastical authority of the jurisdiction to either grant official permission for publication or not. In this case, the diocesan bishop, Richard Cardinal Cushing did so.
So, here is the problem that Quix pointed out: The book’s contents were deemed to be in agreement with Catholic doctrine by the Magisterium of the Church in the person of a cardinal bishop. Now, it is quite true that on a few occasions the “nihil obstat” has later been withdrawn and, with it, obviously, the imprimatur. However, it is rare. So, are you prepared to ask that such a procedure be undertaken in regard to this book? What is more, do you really think such a request would be given the time of day? You know and I know it would not. Ergo, what is in the book is in complete agreement with Catholic theology. That is what the “imprimatur” is all about. It puts the seal of the magisterium on the publication. It does not mean that, for example, Cardinal Cushing was in complete agreement with everything in the book. But is does mean that he certifies that there is nothing contradictory of official Catholic doctrine in it. In other words, it and The Catechism of the Catholic Church are not in conflict.
You chose to avoid this plain fact for whatever reason. If it were a debate, Quix would have be given the point. You blinked.
To anyone that wonders what is wrong with our courts, I would point to the constant dodging, weaving, evaporating, reappearing, deception that Mr P practices here.
No wonder this country is hogtied with insane regulations and ruthless tyrants.
616 posted on February 18, 2010 5:37:05 PM EST by editor-surveyor
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Please allow me.
Ping!
Wrong! The Roman Catholic church has been around for about 1600 years. It was founded when Constantine vanquished Christianity in Rome, and subsumed it into Romes particular version of the Goddes and god worship that had prevailed on Earth since the time of Nimrod (Ninus, Osiris, Zoroastre)
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