Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII
The Scenario:
Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.
Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”
Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”
On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.
Step One:
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That mantra is the name of (one of) your heresies.
Christian worship thrived until Constantine ushered in the dark ages.
You are through the looking glass. Come back to realityville.
Mary is the Queen Mother.
Luke 1:35 says: “And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
Jesus (the Second Person of the Trinity) received His Divinity from the Holy Spirit (the Third Person of the Trinity), and His humanity from Mary.
“I pray your family and friends learn from you.”
Thank you wmfights. I’m praying that they see the Light, too, like my husband did. He still considers himself Catholic, but no longer prays to the mother of Jesus.
Clasp your Ashta beads tightly, we’re about to bring you back!
He did, Rev. 12 is all about Mary.
According to the plain text of the Gospel..
Sorry, I have no Ashta beads and, again, I’m the one up here in Realityville. I can drop a line down the rabbit hole for you, but you’ve got to grasp it and want to get out.
The short answer is, nothing. All these assumptions show us where all the righteous are going.
Amazing how ineducated in things Catholic you are despite your claimed prior Catholicism.
The popes are infallible only if they pronounce a solemn doctrine on faith and morals, and make it clear to all.
Further, St. Peter wasn’t even a pope then.
Yes, the implication that Mary is the Queen of Heaven is in Rev. 12 and yes, somebody long before that worshiped a false one.
He no longer is or you, now that you are Protestant no longer think that? This is all you need to know about intercession and mediation, in the package that you, most hilariously, think is a Protestant prooftext:
1 I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men: 2 For kings, and for all that are in high station: that we may lead a quiet and a peaceable life in all piety and chastity. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: 6 Who gave himself a redemption for all, a testimony in due times.(1 Tim. 2)
Yes, in this role it is the human nature of Christ that mediates. Yes, Christ is God.
Well, true. Not directly. But there is no worship in these either. There is a request for help and protection. It is an important part of veneration of saints. But how, do you think, the saints protect us if not by their prayer?
Why not indeed? I just came from Church and prayed at Mass. Humbly, most of the time on my knees. So? I can't pray to Mary because I got done praying before the throne of God directly? Shouldn't we pray without ceasing?
no such thing as apostolic succession in scripture
Read some. There is. Election of Mathias, verious ordinations and consecrations throughout the scripture.
Faith and belief are inseparable
Jesus never taught salvation by works
No one argues otherwise. Salvation is by faith and works. Your counterscriptural heresy says that it is by faith alone. Find that in the scripture, please.
True enough. Are you implying that Jesus did NOT desire the conversions at Cana? Why do you think is that episode in the scripture?
It would be fine to say that, so long that it is also understood that the will of the saints is united to God's will.
That is a mistranslation, what He said was
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| English: Douay-Rheims | Latin: Vulgata Clementina | Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000) | |
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| 4. | And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come. | Et dicit ei Jesus : Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier ? nondum venit hora mea. | λεγει αυτη ο ιησους τι εμοι και σοι γυναι ουπω ηκει η ωρα μου |
He had reasons to desire to delay His ministry, as later He prayed for the Cup to be withheld. Verse 4 expresses that. He never denied Mary's intercession, as is evidenced by the fact that He went along with it.
That mediation of Man Christ to God is of different nature than mediation of saints to Christ is somethign a Catholic five year old can figure out. If the difference is not clear to you, I am afraid I cannot be of further help.
Hmmmm...I find just the opposite. I liken a robust Marian devotion to the same degree as Jeroboam create the two golden calves and proclaimed, "Here is your gods that brought you out of Egypt." or the "queen of heaven" of Jeremiah's time. People love to burn incense and bow down to statues. Idolatry is part of our nature.
We obviously see things differently.
Mary was a handmaiden; not a bar maid.
And Christ was no bus boy.
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