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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

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To: RnMomof7; Petronski
From Mary, Mother of God and Queen of Heaven

"What then does it mean for Mary to be the Queen of Heaven? In the Old Testament monarchy the Queen of the Davidic Kingdom was the Queen Mother. The Kings, for reasons of state and human weakness, had many wives, none of whom fittingly could be called Queen. That honor was reserved for the mother of the King, whose authority far surpassed the many "queens" married to the king. We see this is the role Bathsheba played with respect to King Solomon and the occasions when the Queen Mother acted as regent on behalf of juvenile successors to the throne."

"The role of the Queen Mother, therefore, is a prophetic type of the Kingdom role of Mary, just as the role of the Davidic King is a prophetic type of the Kingdom role of Jesus. Jesus inherited the Kingdom promised to David, who was told that one of his descendants would rule forever. The angel Gabriel revealed this fact to Mary at her Annunciation,"

Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end. (Luke 1:31-33)
"Aside from the prophetic types present in the Kingdom of Judah, there is also the text of Psalm 45, which when speaking of the Kingdom of God also speaks of its Queen."
[6] Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. [7] Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. [8] All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. [9] Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir. [10] Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; [11] So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him. (Psalm 45:6-11, KJV)

381 posted on 02/17/2010 3:31:57 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: RnMomof7

If you agree that Jesus is King of King and Lord of Lords and that Mary is His Mother, then by definition, she is the Queen Mother. And if you believe, as most Protestants do, that “once saved, always saved,” then you will surely agree that she is already in Heaven. Hence, she is the Queen Mother in Heaven, or Queen Mother of Heaven, or “for short” Queen of Heaven. It’s actually quite simple.


382 posted on 02/17/2010 3:39:57 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: RnMomof7
By the traditional and normal usage...

...of YOUR era, as YOU define it.

383 posted on 02/17/2010 3:40:42 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Pyro7480

So then Mary is a wife to God?


384 posted on 02/17/2010 3:44:03 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: nanetteclaret

Is that the doctrine you are sticking to..Queen of Heaven is short hand for Queen mother of heaven?


385 posted on 02/17/2010 3:45:18 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7
So then Mary is a wife to God?

Stop trying to make Mary a wife of God. It's creepy.

386 posted on 02/17/2010 3:46:22 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

Yea.like I said protestants made all this up to rob Mary of her crown ... The FR Catholics say they do not worship her..but look at all the energy the posters expend on making her the Queen of heaven, dispenser of all graces, primary mediator to god.. on and on we go... and where it will stop only God knows.... She looks more and more like a goddess ...just keep it up


387 posted on 02/17/2010 3:49:58 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Petronski
Stop trying to make Mary a wife of God. It's creepy.

yea it is..on that we agree...but if the definition of Queen is the mother of the King, unless the king is a bastard, the mother was the wife of the Kings father

388 posted on 02/17/2010 3:51:39 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7
...look at all the energy the posters expend on making her the Queen of heaven, dispenser of all graces, primary mediator to God...

Posters here aren't making Mary anything. God did that.

...and where it will stop only God knows...

You lurched uncontrollably into the truth there. Yes, it is His doing, and where it stops He knows.

She looks more and more like a goddess...

To the ignorant and the malicious.

389 posted on 02/17/2010 3:52:04 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: mommyq

Jesus the man has a mother; The Logos has no mother.


390 posted on 02/17/2010 3:52:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: RnMomof7

You still act as though God is bound by your definitions and your logic (such as it is).


391 posted on 02/17/2010 3:53:18 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: editor-surveyor
Nestorius!

392 posted on 02/17/2010 3:53:44 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RnMomof7
"Do we honor the one that is blessed or the one that blesses ?"

The "Goddess and god" have been worshipped for 4500 years; all of our protestations will not stop this abomination.

393 posted on 02/17/2010 3:54:38 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor
The "Goddess and god" have been worshipped for 4500 years

The Catholic Church has only been around for about 2000 years. There are no "goddesses" in the Catholic Church.

You're yelping up the wrong tree.

394 posted on 02/17/2010 3:56:06 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Linguistic literalists like "Pastor Bob" are far too ignorant to realize that they are in the minority.

That puts him in the most exquisite of company; the Lord said that few would find the narrow gate; Bob has.

395 posted on 02/17/2010 3:57:31 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Petronski

Talk to Constantine’s ghost about it.


396 posted on 02/17/2010 3:58:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor

No.


397 posted on 02/17/2010 3:59:48 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
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"This is an admonition against the evils of Calvinism Constantine."

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398 posted on 02/17/2010 4:01:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yeah, because it was so evil of St. Constantine the Great to make Christian worship legal.


399 posted on 02/17/2010 4:03:50 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

Catholics have the most bizzare mantras!

(Aaaauuummmmm!)


400 posted on 02/17/2010 4:04:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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