Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII
The Scenario:
Ever have one of those days when youre feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, youre feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.
Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see whats happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bobs Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: Is not this the carpenters son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us? (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isnt it sad, my brothers and sisters?
Pastor Bob goes on to say: Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked! But He said, Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!
On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. Youre feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone youve been talking about getting.
Step One:
(Excerpt) Read more at envoymagazine.com ...
"What then does it mean for Mary to be the Queen of Heaven? In the Old Testament monarchy the Queen of the Davidic Kingdom was the Queen Mother. The Kings, for reasons of state and human weakness, had many wives, none of whom fittingly could be called Queen. That honor was reserved for the mother of the King, whose authority far surpassed the many "queens" married to the king. We see this is the role Bathsheba played with respect to King Solomon and the occasions when the Queen Mother acted as regent on behalf of juvenile successors to the throne."
"The role of the Queen Mother, therefore, is a prophetic type of the Kingdom role of Mary, just as the role of the Davidic King is a prophetic type of the Kingdom role of Jesus. Jesus inherited the Kingdom promised to David, who was told that one of his descendants would rule forever. The angel Gabriel revealed this fact to Mary at her Annunciation,"
Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end. (Luke 1:31-33)"Aside from the prophetic types present in the Kingdom of Judah, there is also the text of Psalm 45, which when speaking of the Kingdom of God also speaks of its Queen."
[6] Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. [7] Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. [8] All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. [9] Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir. [10] Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; [11] So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him. (Psalm 45:6-11, KJV)
If you agree that Jesus is King of King and Lord of Lords and that Mary is His Mother, then by definition, she is the Queen Mother. And if you believe, as most Protestants do, that “once saved, always saved,” then you will surely agree that she is already in Heaven. Hence, she is the Queen Mother in Heaven, or Queen Mother of Heaven, or “for short” Queen of Heaven. It’s actually quite simple.
...of YOUR era, as YOU define it.
So then Mary is a wife to God?
Is that the doctrine you are sticking to..Queen of Heaven is short hand for Queen mother of heaven?
Stop trying to make Mary a wife of God. It's creepy.
Yea.like I said protestants made all this up to rob Mary of her crown ... The FR Catholics say they do not worship her..but look at all the energy the posters expend on making her the Queen of heaven, dispenser of all graces, primary mediator to god.. on and on we go... and where it will stop only God knows.... She looks more and more like a goddess ...just keep it up
yea it is..on that we agree...but if the definition of Queen is the mother of the King, unless the king is a bastard, the mother was the wife of the Kings father
Posters here aren't making Mary anything. God did that.
...and where it will stop only God knows...
You lurched uncontrollably into the truth there. Yes, it is His doing, and where it stops He knows.
She looks more and more like a goddess...
To the ignorant and the malicious.
Jesus the man has a mother; The Logos has no mother.
You still act as though God is bound by your definitions and your logic (such as it is).
The "Goddess and god" have been worshipped for 4500 years; all of our protestations will not stop this abomination.
The Catholic Church has only been around for about 2000 years. There are no "goddesses" in the Catholic Church.
You're yelping up the wrong tree.
That puts him in the most exquisite of company; the Lord said that few would find the narrow gate; Bob has.
Talk to Constantine’s ghost about it.
No.
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Yeah, because it was so evil of St. Constantine the Great to make Christian worship legal.
Catholics have the most bizzare mantras!
(Aaaauuummmmm!)
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