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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: bvm; catholic; mariolatry; moapb; ourlady
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To: Petronski
You claim you never posted it, which is also false.

lol. In this discussion it is YOU who has brought up Ratzinger and his father. Not me. And I have never posted any lies about Ratzinger and his father.

Just more proof of your stalking me from thread to thread, trailing clattering tin cans from the tailpipe.

261 posted on 02/17/2010 12:20:09 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski; annalex; RnMomof7
With that kind of illogical, then their getting out of bed in the morning was likewise "the beginning of their conversion."

Do you kneel and pray to mattresses, too?

262 posted on 02/17/2010 12:21:28 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: annalex; HarleyD; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; BrandtMichaels; wmfights
That would be heretical if Mary were proclaimed the source of grace. That we find Christ through Mary, and therefore receive all of His grace through Mary is in itself not heretical; it is a view held by many in the Church. Ad Iesum per Mariam, we often say.

So it is ok to say Mary does not produce the holy water she just has possession of it and sprinkles it where SHE WILL?

How nice of God to give His unmerited favor to his mom and tell her to do with it as she will.. Do you have any evidence of this or is it all concocted by men?

My personal opinion is that, for sure, one outward sign of election is robust Marian devotion. On the other hand, the venom with which Marian devotions are met is a sure sign of a soul in great danger. I don't know if that i strue in absolutely every case, dogmatically, but this is a rule of thumb I have.

LOL ..I am sorry but there is no scriptural basis for any of this nonsense

How was grace distributed before Mary had the sprinkler?

Jhn 1:17 — For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Rom 1:5 — By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

263 posted on 02/17/2010 12:21:31 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
In this discussion it is YOU who has brought up [His Holiness Pope Benedict] and his father.

Yes. I was wondering how this thread could have gotten this far without you heaping them with Nazi smears.

And I have never posted any lies about [His Holiness Pope Benedict] and his father.

You have posted more than once your false claim that Pere Ratzinger was an officer in the SS.

It was, is and will remain false.

264 posted on 02/17/2010 12:22:58 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski; RnMomof7
Where in Scripture are we told to pray to anyone who may or may not be now in heaven other than the Triune God who is in heaven?

Or is this just more of your "it's not in the Bible so we can do whatever we please?"

265 posted on 02/17/2010 12:24:26 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You mock a miracle of Christ with stunning bile.

You seem genuinely to not understand the role of His miracles in His mission.


266 posted on 02/17/2010 12:24:40 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Where in Scripture are we told to pray to anyone who may or may not be now in heaven other than the Triune God who is in heaven?

Since you claim we must not do so, perhaps you can show me where it is barred.

267 posted on 02/17/2010 12:26:04 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

This dude Eckleburg is just fishing out of the net.


268 posted on 02/17/2010 12:26:19 PM PST by wordsofearnest (Job 19:25 As for me, I know my Redeemer lives.)
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To: wordsofearnest

She ain’t no dude.


269 posted on 02/17/2010 12:27:39 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: oworm
"What do mean by the implication that their time is not finished?"

They still have work to do on earth, the Blessed Virgin Mary's earthly life is complete and rewarded therefor we see her as an example to be followed.

270 posted on 02/17/2010 12:27:54 PM PST by GonzoII (www.fultonsheen.com)
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To: Petronski

I think Cletus, after having it explained it to him 50-60 times would understand the Catholic position.

Either our non-Catholic friends are not as bright as Cletus, or simply choose to be intentionally dishonest.

It’s about as honest as someone saying “Conservatives worship Karl Marx”, and as if repeating it enough will make it true.


271 posted on 02/17/2010 12:28:22 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Petronski
Yes. I was wondering how this thread could have gotten this far without you heaping them with Nazi smears.

lolol. Thank you for the admission that it was you, and not me, who brought up Ratzinger and his father and their sorry past.

"Clatter...clank...boink," go the tin cans of thread stalkers.

And I've never called Ratzinger a "Nazi." He was a member of the Hitler Youth; he shot at Allied planes as a member of a German anti-aircraft unit; he was imprisoned by Americans as a prisoner of war; his father was a SS officer; and his family suffered no reprisals from the Nazis. His father retired on time and in comfort in Bavaria.

272 posted on 02/17/2010 12:29:25 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Just more proof of your stalking me from thread to thread...

I respond to misrepresentations, distortions, and hatred of the Catholic faith wherever I find them.

273 posted on 02/17/2010 12:30:18 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you for the admission that it was you, and not me, who brought up [His Holiness Pope Benedict] and his father...

I never denied it. In fact, I stated it twice.

274 posted on 02/17/2010 12:31:34 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
The Scriptures teach us what we are to do. I've given you the Scripture for that a few posts earlier. We are not to feel free to do whatever we please concerning the worship of the Triune God which is either contradicted by Scripture or not found in Scripture.

Some men have itching ears and enjoy the sound of their own names waaay too much.

275 posted on 02/17/2010 12:31:51 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Where in Scripture are we told to pray to anyone who may or may not be now in heaven other than the Triune God who is in heaven?"

Where in Scripture does it say it has to be there?

276 posted on 02/17/2010 12:32:00 PM PST by GonzoII (www.fultonsheen.com)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...his father was a SS officer...

Absolutely false. And you have no proof.

277 posted on 02/17/2010 12:32:42 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

Remember you said that. If experience is any teacher, 100 posts from now you will be accusing me of bringing it up all by my lonesome.


278 posted on 02/17/2010 12:33:03 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"The Scriptures teach us what we are to do."

Why aren't you holding fast to the Traditions whether by word or epistle?

279 posted on 02/17/2010 12:33:34 PM PST by GonzoII (www.fultonsheen.com)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Petronski
his father was a SS officer

That's exactly what Petronski was refuting, and you continue to spread that lie! You also leave out the fact that German youth were required to join the Hitler Youth, and that German young men were drafted. You also leave out the fact that the young Ratzinger deserted.

280 posted on 02/17/2010 12:33:38 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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