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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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To: editor-surveyor
Whenever the word is ‘woman’ it is referring to Israel.

Christ called His mother "woman".

Interesting dogmatic statement though. Is there a code machine in the Protestant hands that substitutes common words like that? What is "man", Burkina Faso?

Thank you, God, for not making me Protestant.

1,401 posted on 02/20/2010 3:35:19 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; 1000 silverlings

A complete reading of the text, including all of the elements, shows that it is Israel.

There is no discernable reason to even be considering Mary in that context; a ‘literal’ reading there is impossible.


1,402 posted on 02/20/2010 3:36:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: annalex
"Thank you, God, for not making me Protestant."

Please do not thank God for the deceptions of the Adversary!

1,403 posted on 02/20/2010 3:39:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: annalex
The word for Christian priest is "presbyteros". "Hiereus" refers to a pagan of Hebrew levitical priest. "Priest" derives from "presbyteros". It is true that it also is used on occasion to describe Hebrew priests, as in Mark 15:1.

The greek word in Mark 15:1 is not presbyteros it is archiereus

Translates

1) chief priest, high priest
2) the high priests, these comprise in addition to one holding the high priestly office, both those who had previously discharged it and although disposed, continued to have great power in the State, as well as the members of the families from which high priest were created, provided that they had much influence in public affairs.
3) Used of Christ because by undergoing a bloody death he offered himself as an expiatory sacrifice to God, and has entered into the heavenly sanctuary where he continually intercedes on our behalf.

Please check your greek. As I said before the greek language has a specific word for priest..there was no role of priest outlined in the NT church m, because the hebrew priesthood was a type of Christ..Once He had offered Himself up there was no longer a need for priest or sacrifice..

English (KJV) (Help) Strong's Root Form (Greek) Tense
And g2532 καί kai
straightway g2112 εὐθέως eutheōs
in g1909 ἐπί epi
the morning g4404 πρωΐ prōï
the chief priests g749 ἀρχιερεύς archiereus

Youngs literal translation

Mar 15:1 And immediately, in the morning, the chief priests having made a consultation, with the elders, and scribes, and the whole sanhedrim, having bound Jesus, did lead away, and delivered [him] to Pilate;

1,404 posted on 02/20/2010 3:54:01 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: editor-surveyor; 1000 silverlings
a ‘literal’ reading there is impossible

Verse 5 shows the woman to be a physical mother of a son, and verse 10 shows the Son to be Christ. Nothing else contradicts that either.

1,405 posted on 02/20/2010 3:54:32 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: RnMomof7
Boith words are used: "οι αρχιερεις μετα των πρεσβυτερων".
1,406 posted on 02/20/2010 3:56:28 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; editor-surveyor; 1000 silverlings
Verse 5 shows the woman to be a physical mother of a son, and verse 10 shows the Son to be Christ. Nothing else contradicts that either.

It also shows her grow wings and fly ....

1,407 posted on 02/20/2010 3:56:52 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; annalex; 1000 silverlings
"It also shows her grow wings and fly"

Now, you know that's no impediment to Mary; she does everything else...

1,408 posted on 02/20/2010 4:00:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: RnMomof7; editor-surveyor; 1000 silverlings
Mary is not the only one assumed into heaven. So was St. Elijah.

Again, -- I believe I made this point a few times on this thread: since verses 5 and 10 inambiguously identify the woman as Mary, you should read the rest andlearn something form it about Mary. Not start with some mariophobic dogma then twist the scripture so that words not longer mean anything.

Thank you Lord for not making me a Protestant.

1,409 posted on 02/20/2010 4:01:10 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
οι αρχιερεις μετα των πρεσβυτερων". =priest

Douay-Rheims Bible
AND straightway in the morning, the chief priests holding a consultation with the ancients and the scribes and the whole council, binding Jesus, led him away, and delivered him to Pilate.

Not a presbyter in sight

1,410 posted on 02/20/2010 4:03:53 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: annalex; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings
"Mary is not the only one assumed into heaven."

There is not a single word in all the scriptures to indicate such a thing! - You tread on dangerous ground with this!

1,411 posted on 02/20/2010 4:04:11 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: annalex

How did Mary earn her wings?


1,412 posted on 02/20/2010 4:05:53 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: annalex; editor-surveyor; 1000 silverlings
Mary is not the only one assumed into heaven. So was St. Elijah.

I was not referring to that I was quoting the text

13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

1,413 posted on 02/20/2010 4:06:25 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I am not sure what your point is, but "πρεσβυτερων" is plural genitive of presbyter.
1,414 posted on 02/20/2010 4:07:04 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: editor-surveyor

Well, like I said, you had thought so, but now that we’ve seen Mary given wings and walking on clouds we as Bible believing Christians just have to adjust our dogmas, don’t we?


1,415 posted on 02/20/2010 4:08:50 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: editor-surveyor

Grace is never earned. You didn’t learn that in AWANA?


1,416 posted on 02/20/2010 4:09:44 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: RnMomof7

Yes. I recognized the quote.


1,417 posted on 02/20/2010 4:10:30 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
I have posted the greek text, a literal translation of the text and still you want to claim that presbyter means priest.....just not so my friend and i posted earlier the practice of a priesthood in the catholic church came much later..it was not apostolic in origination
1,418 posted on 02/20/2010 4:14:38 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: annalex

Mary has no wings, and walks on no clouds.

Her body presently lies as dust in the soils of Earth; we must presume her spirit is, as all others of the election, with the Lord.


1,419 posted on 02/20/2010 4:19:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: annalex

I’ve never been to Awana, what country is it in?


1,420 posted on 02/20/2010 4:20:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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