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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: bvm; catholic; mariolatry; moapb; ourlady
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To: the_conscience; Judith Anne; Religion Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
I merely pointed to the fact the Sidebar Moderator mistakenly forgot to log out of moderator mode before posting a pro-Romanist argument.

Do you have a link for this post?

Do you think that Catholics should be prohibited from being moderators? (For the record, I have no clue whether any moderators are or ever have been Catholic.)

1,061 posted on 02/19/2010 11:42:12 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Of course not. The post was deleted as was my post pointing out that the moderator made a pro-Romanist argument.


1,062 posted on 02/19/2010 11:44:28 AM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Petronski

I’m still interested to see if anyone can produce some obscure medieval Jewish text which indicates that Rishon is a day where Jews worship the sun.


1,063 posted on 02/19/2010 11:46:03 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Do you think that Catholics should be prohibited from being moderators?

His beef is with Romanists, not Catholics.

1,064 posted on 02/19/2010 11:47:00 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Grunthor
Ignoring? Maybe. Purposefully with malice aforethought? Certainly not.

So, why is it okay for Protestants to ignore Scripture and then criticize Catholics for not ignoring it.

1,065 posted on 02/19/2010 11:47:10 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: the_conscience

It’s great software, but don’t let it anywhere around cats


1,066 posted on 02/19/2010 11:48:42 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: the_conscience; Religion Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
The post was deleted as was my post pointing out that the moderator made a pro-Romanist argument.

Is there any way we could be given a synopsis of what this "pro-Romanist argument" was?

1,067 posted on 02/19/2010 11:49:30 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Petronski
His beef is with Romanists, not Catholics.

Are we talking about Mussolini or Polanski?

1,068 posted on 02/19/2010 11:50:12 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It gets worse when you try to pronounce Romanishists three times fast...without lurching into the scatalogical.


1,069 posted on 02/19/2010 11:51:29 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: the_conscience; Religion Moderator

How convenient for you that the posts were deleted. Now you bring up the deleted posts, and claim whatever you want.

Not wise, Grasshopper, not wise.


1,070 posted on 02/19/2010 11:55:06 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: wagglebee
U-291>I follow Yah'shua as quoted in Matthew

What you [mis]qutoted was what our Lord told His Disciples and they, under the leadership of Saint Peter, became the first Catholic bishops and baptized new Christians in the Name the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. They were the leaders of His Church, the same Church you condemn.

I was quoting the oldest know quotation of Matthew 28:19.

Eusebius (265-339) Bishop of Caesarea around 314
Wrote his Proof of the Gospel
Book III, Chapter 7, 136 (a-d), p. 157 http://www.ccel.org/ccel/pearse/morefathers/files/eusebius_de_05_book3.htm

"Go, and make disciples of all the nations in My Name, teaching them
to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you," [[Matt. xxviii. 19.]]
Be like a Berean, read it for yourself.

It undercuts both baptism and the trinity.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,071 posted on 02/19/2010 11:56:22 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Petronski

It’s amazing what lengths some will go to just to avoid saying the word Catholic. It’s a lot the fear that Bram Stoker and others portray Dracula as having toward Crucifixes and Holy Water.


1,073 posted on 02/19/2010 11:57:38 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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1,074 posted on 02/19/2010 11:59:09 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

“So, why is it okay for Protestants to ignore Scripture and then criticize Catholics for not ignoring it.”

Is it okay? Really? I don’t think that. I do believe that the two different groups stress different parts of scripture over others. We may not venerate Mary but then we also do not have idols that we pray to.

No one but Jesus is perfect I guess.


1,075 posted on 02/19/2010 11:59:50 AM PST by Grunthor (America needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.)
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To: Judith Anne

Judy,

Thank you for the wise counsel. I look forward to more insights.


1,076 posted on 02/19/2010 11:59:55 AM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Eusebius misquoted Matthew 28:19-20 the Shem Tov Matthew piggy-backs on this to try to destroy the Triune nature of God.

Despicable.


1,077 posted on 02/19/2010 12:02:28 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: wagglebee
Hey, if they don't want to refer to the Catholic Church, they're not referring to the Catholic Church.

They're certainly not describing the Catholic Church.

1,078 posted on 02/19/2010 12:03:55 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; Petronski
I was quoting the oldest know quotation of Matthew 28:19.

Are you suggesting that by the early 4th Century the Gospels had been divided into chapters and verses?

It undercuts both baptism and the trinity.

Yes, we are well aware that you deny the Holy Trinity and the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

1,079 posted on 02/19/2010 12:03:57 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Grunthor
We may not venerate Mary but then we also do not have idols that we pray to.

Neither do Catholics.

1,080 posted on 02/19/2010 12:05:00 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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