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For those who can't see the commonsense reasons why self-flagellation is wrong, consider that it leads to believing that God wants us to suffer. Totally backwards.

13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs -- heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. -- Romans 8:13-17

7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. -- Hebrews 12:7-11

I'm really questioning whether we read the same Bible.

I believe in chastening, even if it's painful. See, that would be pain in a good cause. The inevitable pain that comes when we have made a wrong decision. What I oppose is unnecessary pain, as for instance after we have acknowledged our wrong, asked for forgiveness, repented in our hearts, and resolved to obey God in the future. That serves no purpose and I believe is contrary to what God intends for us--in fact, believing that it is worthwhile and pleasing to Him is backwards and blasphemous.

We read the same Bible. I don't interpret "chastening" the same way you do. I HOPE that the Lord chastens me when I have made a mistake. His rod and his staff, they comfort me. I don't need to add a belt and a whip in my own misguided fervor.

13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs -- heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. -- Romans 8:13-17

Do you REALLY believe that Paul is speaking of self flagellation here ? LOL..He is talking about being tortured and mocked and imprisoned and pursued by the enemies of the gospel. He is talking about martyrdom .

Luke 6:22 Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.

7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. -- Hebrews 12:7-11 M

Does He say SELF chastening???

He is speaking about our loving Father chastening us..not us choosing what chastening we deserve and doing it to our self.

We need to read the text correctly if we are going to quote it