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To: Houghton M.
Is posting on Free Republic prescribed in Scripture? Is driving an automobile prescribed in Scripture? Is using a computer prescribed in Scripture? Is aerobic exercise prescribed in Scripture? Is milking a cow prescribed in Scripture? Is playing a piano prescribed in Scripture? Is watching TV prescribed in Scripture? Is voting in a primary election prescribed in Scripture? Is watching Fox News prescribed in Scripture? CNN? MSNBC? Is voting for Sarah Palin prescribed in Scripture? Is changing the oil in your car prescribed in Scripture? Is going into the hospital for surgery prescribed in Scripture? Is eating filet mignon prescribed in Scripture? Is wearing a coat and tie prescribed in Scripture? Is joining the NRA prescribed in Scripture?

Sound Theology is scripturally based.. when thinking about cars read a manual on your car, Join the NRA, read the membership requirements. need surgery, explore the options with surgeons

Your list is meaningless because it evades the question.. does scripture teach us that one way to deal with our sin is to beat our body to produce pain.. is masochism a sacrament?

We had a Savior that was beat for us, flagellated for our sin.. who do we think we are that we can better what he did in our place? That is either spiritual ignorance or tremendous spiritual pride..

1 Peter 2:4 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed.

That is PAST tense.. "it is finished"

103 posted on 02/13/2010 6:05:20 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7
Your list is meaningless because it evades the question.. does scripture teach us that one way to deal with our sin is to beat our body to produce pain.. is masochism a sacrament?

Is training to be a Navy Seal masochism? Is training for the Boston Marathon masochism? Is diet and exercise masochism? Is training for Everest masochism? Is doing anything difficult and unpleasant masochism? Is giving birth without drugs masochism? Is life supposed to be lived without discipline, without sacrifice, without working up a sweat? Is fasting masochism?

104 posted on 02/13/2010 6:17:43 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: RnMomof7
Some random verses on suffering. Remember that Jesus fasted for 40 days when tempted by the devil.

Matthew 4: 1 1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. 2 He fasted for forty days and forty nights, 2 and afterwards he was hungry. 3 The tempter approached and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command that these stones become loaves of bread." 4 3 He said in reply, "It is written: 'One does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes forth from the mouth of God.'" 5 4 Then the devil took him to the holy city, and made him stand on the parapet of the temple, 6 and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down. For it is written: 'He will command his angels concerning you and 'with their hands they will support you, lest you dash your foot against a stone.'" 7 Jesus answered him, "Again it is written, 'You shall not put the Lord, your God, to the test.'" 8 Then the devil took him up to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence, 9 and he said to him, "All these I shall give to you, if you will prostrate yourself and worship me." 5 10 At this, Jesus said to him, "Get away, Satan! It is written: 'The Lord, your God, shall you worship and him alone shall you serve.'" 11 Then the devil left him and, behold, angels came and ministered to him.

Hebrews 12:10 Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. 12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees

Matthew 3: 1 Now in those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying, 2 “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” 3 For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said, “THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, ‘MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT!’” 4 Now John himself had a garment of camel’s hair and a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey. 1 Peter 2:12 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin.

Matthew 11:21 “Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the Day of Judgment than for you. 23 And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. 24 But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.”

Acts 14:22 Strengthening the disciples and encouraging them to remain true to the faith. “We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God,” they said. 23 Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust

Colossians 1:24 Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

Romans 5:3 Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 Perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

Acts 13:1 In the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off. 4 The two of them, sent on their way by the Holy Spirit, went down to Seleucia and sailed from there to Cyprus.

Daniel 9:3 So I turned to the Lord God and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes. 4 I prayed to Yahweh my God and confessed: “O Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps his covenant of love with all who love him and obey his commands, 5 We have sinned and done wrong. We have been wicked and have rebelled; we have turned away from your commands and laws.

Daniel 10:2 At that time I, Daniel, mourned for three weeks. 3 I ate no choice food; no meat or wine touched my lips; and I used no lotions at all until the three weeks were over.

Psalms 35: 11 Malicious witnesses come forward, accuse me of things I do not know. 12 They repay me evil for good and I am all alone. 13 3 Yet I, when they were ill, put on sackcloth, afflicted myself with fasting, sobbed my prayers upon my bosom.

The purpose of fasting and mortification is not masochism. It is the focusing of one's soul upon humility. Sackcloth and ashes; the mortification practiced by the first Christians, is to focus one upon Christ, and to remove one's ego as the primary focus of one's life.

106 posted on 02/13/2010 7:38:11 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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