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To: T. P. Pole; SZonian; rickomatic

Because, apparently, in LDS doctrine, His grace is not sufficient. [rick]

No, in LDS doctrine, our works are not sufficient, only His grace is (but we still are required to do works). [tadpole]\

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Hey tadpole, long time no see.

The thing is, by stating that “but we still are required to do works” is AUTOMATICALLY saying that Christ’s grace is not sufficient. It is either entirly grace (Christian doctrine) or it is works based.

Romans 11:6 - And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.


22 posted on 02/12/2010 10:38:39 AM PST by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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To: reaganaut
Re: grace and works, there are scriptures in the Bible that support works, too. Revelation 20:12 comes to mind, where it says the dead are judged "according to their works"

James 2 (the last half) also comes to mind. Peter 1:17 sure seems to say the Father judges according to our works.

Like I tried to say, God requires works. However, no matter how much "works" I do, I cannot approach the throne without the grace of Christ. My works are really a sign of my conversion or faith, but really do not save me. Only Christ's grace saves me.

But Christ does reach out and says "come, follow me."

25 posted on 02/12/2010 11:18:26 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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