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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Ken4TA; irishtenor

Where the Chosen People - Israel - chosen as individuals, or corporately in Israel?

When Paul wrote, “10And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”, was he writing about individuals, or tribes? Remember, the quote he gives is from Malachi - perhaps 1500 years after Jacob and Esau lived.

Is Romans 9-11 about individuals, or Israel corporately?


9 posted on 02/10/2010 5:17:46 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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10 posted on 02/10/2010 5:22:08 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers; irishtenor; Dr. Eckleburg
Where the Chosen People - Israel - chosen as individuals, or corporately in Israel?

Having read both viewpoints, Dr. Eckleburg's and Mr. Rogers, I don't think I'd choose one over the other. There are points made in each that would get converts, but not me. To me they are equal - God works individually and corporately: He can choose the group or the individual as He wants. After all, He is the "potter" and we are but "clay" in His hands. Who are "we" to tell Him how He should act?

Is Romans 9-11 about individuals, or Israel corporately?

What God decided He does. Romans tells us that God had planned to choose one over the other, beforehand - and accomplished what He said would happen. I think it's just that simple, and go back to what I said in my response in the first paragraph I wrote herein.

Could anyone tell me where I'm wrong here? And point out why? (PS: I'm not infallible, and make plenty of mistakes at times.)

11 posted on 02/11/2010 6:49:37 AM PST by Ken4TA (The truth sometimes hurts - but is truth nonetheless!)
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