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To: teppe; vanilla swirl
If you pray to Christ rather than God the Father you are in direct violation of Christ’s teachings! In every instance of prayer, Christ taught us to pray to the Father!

Vanilla Swirl, Teppe can't even make this case based upon his own Latter-day 'scripture'!!!

Here he claims that it's a "direct violation of Christ's teachings" and "in every instance of prayer, Christ taught us to pray to the Father" yet Mormons are so deceived because of what their leaders have force-fed them, they often don't even know their own Book of Mormon teaches on this subject!

If praying directly to Jesus was indeed "perilous" as McConkie claimed, then please tell us, Teppe, why Stephen, when in peril of death, prayed directly to Jesus? ...saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. (Acts 7:59)

If praying directly to Jesus was indeed "plain sectarian nonsense" as McConkie claimed, then why did Book of Mormon disciples repeatedly directly pray to Jesus?
3 Nephi 19:7
Then again in 3 Nephi 19:18
Then again in 3 Nephi 19:24
Then they thought that wasn't enough direct prayer to Jesus. So "he came unto his disciples, and behold, they did still continue, without ceasing, to pray unto him." (3 Nephi 19:24)

And what? The Mormon Jesus condemned them for praying directly unto him? (No!) "And it came to pass that Jesus blessed them as they did pray unto him" (3 Nephi 19:25)

Did the Mormon Jesus tell them it was "plain sectarian nonsense" to keep praying directly to Him? (No!) "And Jesus said unto them: Pray on; nevertheless they not cease to pray." (3 Nephi 19:26)

So, these Nephite disciples apparently "prayed without ceasing" to the Mormon Jesus. Yet McConkie didn't like that some BYU students were emulating that, and told them in 1982:

I am well aware that some who have prayed for endless hours feel they have a special and personal relationship with Christ that they never had before. I wonder if this is any or much different, however, from the feelings of fanatical sectarians who with glassy eyes and fiery tongues assure us they have been saved by grace and are assured of a place with the Lord in a heavenly abode, when in fact they have never even received the fullness of the gospel. I wonder if it is not part of Lucifer's system to make people feel they are special friends of Jesus when in fact they are not following the normal and usual pattern of worship found in the true Church. Let me remind you to stay in the course charted by the Church. It is the Lord's Church, and he will not permit it to be led astray. If we take the counsel that comes from the prophets and seers we will pursue the course that is pleasing to the Lord. Would it be amiss if I reminded you that Jesus maintained a reserve between him and his disciples and that he did not allow them the same intimacy with him that they had with each other.

Your name-calling of Christians, Teppe, & McConkie's ("fanatical sectarians...part of Lucifer's system") seems to be similar. Are you buds?

I'll ask the Q, anyway, and I don't expect a retraction from you (or any Mormon, for that matter, FReeper Mormons seem to slink away vs. showing any true attitude of repentance when their posts are proved wrong)...but to be consistent with what you say on this post:

Does 3 Nephi 19 violate Christ's teachings?
Does Acts 7:59 violate Christ's teachings?
How can "every instance" somehow leave out these passages?
What? Have you taken scissors to these references & they're no longer part of your 'quad'?

12 posted on 01/28/2010 9:39:09 AM PST by Colofornian (We don't need Soilent Greeners in office!!!)
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To: Colofornian; teppe; Godzilla

Does 3 Nephi 19 violate Christ’s teachings?
Does Acts 7:59 violate Christ’s teachings?
How can “every instance” somehow leave out these passages?
What? Have you taken scissors to these references & they’re no longer part of your ‘quad’?

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The new LDS party line is probably “The Book of Mormon isn’t ‘translated correctly’” :)


23 posted on 01/28/2010 11:51:34 AM PST by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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