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To: fightinJAG
I'm fascinated by the confidence of those who don't believe there is life after death, yet rush (often with religious-like fervor) to embrace or impose death as if they know, 100%, all about what death brings.

It only seems logical. (How does one "impose death"?) If one has religious faith, that takes the argument to another level. With someone like myself, there simply is no argument to be made. But obviously that doesn't stop YOU from believing it, and my standards of logic say you're wrong, just as your standard of belief says I am.

The entire euthanasia and assisted suicide lobby is built on the unwaivering leap of faith that the experience of being dead is overall and always positive or neutral, never negative, for the dead person. But what's the evidence for that?

This is the first time I've heard of that, so I can't say.

27 posted on 01/23/2010 5:45:52 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian conservative, atheist prolifer)
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To: Darkwolf377
How does one "impose" death? Um, abortion, euthanasia, just to name a few instances.

I didn't say you were wrong. I asked:

(1) What is the evidence that death is not a status change from life? And,

(2) If a status change, what's the evidence that that change is positive or neutral in terms of what the dead person is experiencing?

My point is that people with your view are deluding themselves that, with people like them (i.e., as you said, you), "there simply is no argument to be made."There is always an argument to be made. Conclusions always have a basis, whether or not recognized or articulated.

The conclusion that there is no life after death, or that death brings a big nothingness, or WHATEVER is just as much a leap of faith as concluding that life continues in some way after the body changes to what we call "dead."

Regardless of one's views on what happens upon bodily death, ALL views on this subject are based on faith -- because there is no direct, hard evidence for either conclusion.

The link I provided goes into detail about how the entire euthanasia and assisted suicide lobby is, in my words, built on the unwaivering leap of faith that the experience of being dead is overall and always positive or neutral, never negative. If you read the article, I'd like your reaction to it.

Basically, people argue it's okay to kill (euthanasia) or help kill (assisted suicide) people because death is better than life, at least in some circumstances. That assumes an awful lot.

What else does it mean when people argue that it's okay to kill people because death "alleviates suffering"? How in the world do they know that?

They don't. They just believe it on faith, just the same as people who believe deat, in some cases, actually may usher in eternal suffering.

Related article: Death, Dying and the Afterlife: Has the idea of what it's like to be dead become an urban legend?

38 posted on 01/23/2010 7:33:18 AM PST by fightinJAG (Largest wing in future Obama Presidential Library will be devoted to Bush & Cheney)
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