Posted on 01/19/2010 12:24:35 PM PST by Quix
gosples = gospels
Why do you call disagreement "rock-throwing"? Aren't Christians required to keep each other accountable?
Good, to a point.
SCRIPTURE is clear
that there’s a CONNECTION between the spiritual and physical health.
I WOULD THAT YOU PROSPER
AND BE IN HEALTH
EVEN AS YOUR SOUL PROSPERS.
THERE ARE dozens of other Scriptures indicating a similar connection between spiritual health and physical health.
I’ve never found it fruitful, healthful, nor righteous
to ignore Scripture in any way, shape, or form.
To do so and pretend that doing so was more righteous . . . or saner, or more practical or spiritual . . .
boggles my mind.
Am all for accountability and have gone to great lengths accordingly.
However, there SEEMED TO BE an attitude, A PERSPECTIVE toward the principles involved [which are VERY SCRIPTURAL—actually half the book is Scripture between about every other or every 3rd paragraph] and toward Henry Wright, himself and his ministry.
I found that PERSPECTIVE to be hostile, UnBiblical and destructive to what I SEE God as doing through that ministry.
Part of my role on this thread is to HOLD SUCH ATTITUDES, PERSPECTIVES ACCOUNTABLE TO SCRIPTURE
It’s immaterial to me. I already have a promise that I will be fully healed with a perfect, resurrected body. What happens to me here on Earth has very short-term consequences and is His will.
I don’t need God to do a group bunion-healing to prove Himself to me.
Just a thought - if this guy is so good, he ought to get his holy behind down to Haiti. If he can spare the time, being swamped and all.
Seems like there’s a lot of bitterness and resentment spilling out. If so, I’m curious as to it’s origin.
Mind-reading, are you?
What exactly do you see God doing? Is that the point of coming to Him and cleaning up our spiritual flaws? So we can get rid of our MS and arthritis? How is that different than the prosperity gospels?
PS gotta go now, might not be back tonight.
Oh, interested in your thoughts on Benny Hinn.
Here, read this from gotquestions.org and tell me your thoughts:
Question: “Are faith healers for real? Does a faith healer heal with the same power as Jesus?”
Answer: There is no doubt that God has the power to heal anyone at any time. The question is whether He chooses to do so through those who are called “faith healers.” These individuals typically convince their audiences that God wants them to be well and that through their faith—and usually a financial offering—God will reward their faith by healing them through the power of Jesus.
By comparing the healing ministry of the Lord Jesus to that of the modern faith healers, we can determine whether their claims have any basis in Scripture. If, as they say, they heal through the same power and in the same way that Jesus healed, we should be able to see marked similarities between them. However, just the opposite is true. Mark 1:29-34 gives us a description of just one day of Jesus’ healing ministry. His power to heal—and to do all kinds of miracles—was evidence that He had power over both the physical and spiritual effects of the curse of sin. He healed those afflicted with physical diseases, illnesses, and injuries, even raising the dead, and He cast demons out of those who were possessed by them. Only God can rescue us from the results of the Fall of man into sin—disease and death, and by His miracles, Jesus proved His deity.
There are several distinctives in the way Jesus healed that are not characteristic of the modern faith healers. First, He healed instantly. Peter’s mother-in-law (Mark 1:31), the centurion’s son (Matthew 8:13), Jairus’ daughter (Mark 5:41-42), and the paralytic (Luke 5:24-25) were all healed immediately. They did not have to go home and start to get better, as is the advice from many faith healers. Second, Jesus healed totally. Peter’s mother-in-law was fully functional after being healed from an illness so severe she was bedridden, but when Jesus healed her, she rose immediately and prepared a meal for all who were in the house. The blind beggars in Matthew 20:34 were given instant sight. Third, Jesus healed everyone (Matthew 4:24; Luke 4:40). They were not required to be pre-screened by the disciples before coming to Jesus for healing, as is the standard procedure with the healers today. There was no healing line they had to qualify for. Jesus healed all the time in many places, not in a studio with carefully-controlled circumstances.
Fourth, Jesus healed actual organic diseases, not symptoms as the faith healers do. Jesus never healed anyone of a headache or back pain. He healed of leprosy, blindness, and paralysis, miracles that were truly verifiable. Finally, Jesus healed the ultimate disease—death. He brought forth Lazarus after four days in the grave. No faith healer can duplicate that. In addition, His healings did not require faith as a precondition. In fact, most of those He healed were unbelievers.
There have always been false healers who prey on the suffering and the desperate in order to pad their bank accounts. Such behavior is the worst kind of blasphemy because many whose money is wasted on false promises reject Christ outright because He does not do what the healer has promised. Why, if faith healers have the power to heal, do they not walk the halls of the hospitals healing everyone and releasing them all? Why do they not go to Africa and cure all the AIDS cases? They do not because they cannot. They do not have the power of healing that Jesus possessed
Actually, merely asking questions about public tea leaves on the floor.
I think you have answered sufficiently. Thanks.
I don’t really think your quarrel is with me nor with faith healers.
Good night.
Thanks for the ping!
See I knew someone would understand...
I am not ‘throwing rocks’ at anyone. What I was doing was pointing out that some folks end up following this hoping to ‘get better’ ( whatever that means) and end up dying in the process. Now if they are fully aware of what they are doing good for them.
Part of the difficulty I have with this particular guy is that he specifically writes that if we love God with all of our heart and all of our soul and our neighbor as our selves then we will have FULLY kept the law. Once my saviour paid the price for me, I am not in NEED of keeping the law. Since NO ONE can perfectly love what this man preaches is the ability to gain god-like status. Moreover, he uses nonsense words such as “anti unconogen” whioch have no scientific meaning and are made up to suit his needs.
I do not know ( and neither do you) if this man is of God. Even the New Testament promises there will come a time when even the very elect may be deceived. Jesus did not require anything for the healings He gave. They just were.
Moreover, he uses nonsense words such as “anti unconogen” whioch have no scientific meaning and are made up to suit his needs.
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1. Wrong.
I’ve read of such dynamics in the literature myself. May not have been his words but the function etc. was there in the experimental literature. No I don’t have a link and won’t try to look it up.
2. I trust Joya’s assessment of him. She’s bright, spiritually sensitive and well experienced in assessing such characters.
3. I trust my own assessment of him and his organization from my own interactions with them.
4. God doesn’t bless shysters as GOD HAS BLESSED his ministry.
Cite one legitamate scientific source that uses the term. You will not be able to
You don’t know whether God has blessed his ministry or not. I have seen miracles performed in the name of God and other wise. The healing appears to be the same. Neither you nor I have the mind of God so you can assure nothing on that basis.
Which word in the following bolded text is difficult to understand? Perhaps I can help. I used to teach reading:
May not have been his words . . .
????
Or perhaps
". . . but the function . . . "
was the problem?
Sounds like a MORE extensive review of the cancer literature might help . . . I think the term is oncogenes.
There has been a lot of discussion in that literature about what turns such genes on or off.
I guess that literature was inconvenient to read.
BTW, My discernment is not usually as flawed as you seem determined to make it out to be. At least I don't THNK one of the world's best experts on that topic: Joya, would agree with you on that score.
“may not have been his words...” Be cause his words DON”T exist. Don’t tell me that someone is God directed and blessed and then excuse his lack of knowledge. This is like the ‘faith healer’ who calls out a healing for pain in the head .....
Saying that the function is the same is meaningless. Science has terminology for a reason. This man is claiming all sorts of things, such as inherited cancers being inherited fears——even Jesus Himself dispelled people of that notion.
Look I am not going to argue with you anymore. You go ahead and believe what you want. it is of no difference to me. But don’t for a minute think that you have all the answers or even some of them. Your understanding of phisiology and anatomy seem to be woefully lacking and your understanding of the disease process underwhelming.
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