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To: agrarianlady
You were saying ...

I hear Nineveh was pretty bad, too, but you didn’t see that stopping God from saving them anyway.

Ninevah had "national repentance" from the king on down to the "man in the street"... and when there is "national repentance" there will be a delaying of God's judgment because of that repentance.

But, also note that God did follow through with His judgment, anyway, but delayed it because those of that generation did repent.

Ninevah was destroyed, but destroyed later, when those of that generation were gone...

3 posted on 01/17/2010 2:29:25 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
Ninevah had "national repentance" from the king on down to the "man in the street"... and when there is "national repentance" there will be a delaying of God's judgment because of that repentance.

I was a little flippant in my first answer. For that I apologize.

God's judgment is already here. It started when Adam sinned. The world is under a curse, and it is going to perish. Jesus came to save His people from the final judgment, which is eternal damnation, or life apart from God. Salvation from this judgment is freely available to those who trust in Christ's atonement on the cross.

I think if a country practices voodoo, there will be a natural result of bad things happening in society perhaps, because God's laws are pretty much the way we have to behave to keep ourselves healthy (He created us in His image, after all). It's obvious after seeing hedonistic people suffering natural consequences of their actions (broken homes, death by drug abuse, etc.) The Haitians were so unfortunately crippled by a bad society, that they couldn't react to warnings about needing structurally better hospitals, etc. And there were warnings. And perhaps we should all become a little smarter about shoring up our resources for disasters.

But I do not believe that Haiti's sinful behavior (corporate) caused God's judgment to send an earthquake to kill them as a group. Earthquakes are natural. The earth is under a curse of Adam - and we won't have a new earth until Jesus returns. Earthquakes happen. God's people were mixed in among that group. God deals with each soul individually. If there were believers in Jesus among the dead (and I am sure that you couldn't prove to me that there weren't), then they are in heaven right now. And how is that judgment? Their souls are still saved. They are rejoicing with their Savior. And the living who are suffering can still take great comfort in the Lord and in the hope of salvation.

Here's a decent explanation of what I was trying to say, but blogged by another person:

"Christianity does not work this way. No part of scripture tells us that God intends to allow natural disasters to overcome any country that involves themselves in sin. Obviously, if things worked this way the Nazis could not have come into power, Stalin would have been struck by lightening, and nations that broadcast pornography during prime time would suffer yearly droughts.

No, there's no precedent for this nonsense in Christianity. Sure, in the Old Testament God punished people as he saw fit, but the Bible doesn't establish a predictable formula for this sort of thing; in fact, His preferred method was to establish good relations with those nations. (See Jonah, for example.)"

(Remember, God only saved Nineveh because He sent Jonah first! He *chose* to save Nineveh, *in spite* of themselves. Jonah was very angry with God about that).

God causes the "rain to fall on the just and the unjust".

There will be a final judgment day, and those who aren't written in the Lamb's book of life will be subject to final judgment. *That* is much more fearful than having a natural disaster strike, don't you think?

I'm raising my hand and saying that my personal sin is just as great as anything any one in Haiti committed. I can only trust Jesus to cover me from the consequences of my sin. These words of Jesus are as follows: "Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."

If our country were to perish because we haven't corporately repented, it should have perished long ago, because each and every one of us has sinned just as badly as any Haitian practicing voodoo.

We are all going to die, and then we will be judged. Dying a little earlier as a result of a natural disaster is nothing for a Christian to fear. Rather he or she should take comfort in knowing that nothing can separate him from the love of Jesus.

Paul said this to the Roman believers:

"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

24 posted on 01/17/2010 5:14:29 PM PST by agrarianlady
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