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To: Zionist Conspirator

>>Except for Protestant human traditions.<<

I disagree. My best friend wrote a book: “and no religion too - thoughts on the spectator church”. He and I would sit on the porch and discuss our church(s) and how they compared to the early church paradigm. I think those discussions are at least part of the background for the book. BTS, he’s here: http://edgoble.com/

My old assembly of God church had an american flag and a powder blue “Christian flag” that people would “pledge allegiance” to. I did neither in the church. I’m sure those that came up with that Christian flag had good intentions, but it offended me that someone would come up with such a lame tradition. I complained to the pastor that I thought it was inapropriate. Eventually I left and went to a “Christian” church that also had that flag. I complained there and apparently made a better case, becouse it just sort of dissapeared.

Man made religion seems to be unable to avoid piling stuff on, in the spirit of making it “better”. I try to avoid it at all costs and constantly review what I am doing to see if I am also “piling on” what the Bible says about how one should worship.

Traditions of men, no matter who the “men” are, do not seem to get a lot of respect from Jesus. Even if they are created “in his name”. And yes, that goes for protestants. The only reason they don’t have as many is that they have not been around as long.


97 posted on 01/14/2010 8:26:43 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy
It takes a particularly small and petty mind to call people crazy (which is what you did) merely because they believe they are supposed to face a certain direction when they pray.

I know how you think because I used to think that way myself. You think "religion" is a plot of "the Devil" to lead man to think he can please G-d when it is impossible to do so, that what G-d wants is for man to be passively "saved" by accepting the vicarious damnation of a divine scapegoat. And you think that this makes you "humble" while everyone who disagrees with you is billowing with pride, thinking that their "good works" is pleasing to G-d.

Did you know that your Protestant "Bible alone, faith alone" beliefs have no roots whatsoever in the chr*stian past? I have news for you, the Catholics didn't make all that stuff up. Go to any truly ancient church, churches that were never under Constantine at all (the Armenian, the Nestorian, the Indian, the Ethiopian) and you will find that all the ancient, authentic versions of chr*stianity (as opposed to all those "true new testament churches" American evangelicals think they find in the "new testament" based on their own unexamined assumptions) are "works" religions who do all those awful things you don't find in the "new testament." Bible only, faith only Protestantism has absolutely no roots in the chr*stian past at all. It was made out of whole cloth in recent centuries. Too bad that the "new testament" is so unclear that no chr*stian anywhere from ancient Britain to ancient India ever read it the way American evangelicals do. And of course they all "went to hell" because they were "too proud" to accept antinomian loophole "salvation."

Then of course are all the rituals and ceremonies and commandments that even you admit that G-d gave to Israel in the "old testament." But according to you He only did that to teach them that no one's perfect (as if anyone ever believed that to begin with) and He never meant them to actually think there was any zekhut involved in doing what He said to do. Funny how the people who had this "preparatory lesson" for antinomian loophole salvation never got it and the only people who did never even existed for seventeen hundred years or so.

I spend most of my time on this forum defending Fundamentalist Protestants, and I don't regret it. I don't share their chr*stian beliefs, but I admire them for sticking up for the Truth of the Hebrew Bible when everyone else has sold out. I even appreciate that their antinomianism (and yours, for that matter) is blessedly consistent compared to the ancient churches who rail against the "works" of the "old testament" only to replace them with "works" of their own. But every so often someone like you comes along who is so small-minded and so blind to historical reality that it actually helps me understand why so many people despise Fundamentalist Protestants. G-d forgive me for saying this.

100 posted on 01/14/2010 8:50:31 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Koh 'amar HaShem, "Shallach `ammi, veya`avduni!")
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