dsc:
I think the issues go much further than just the Traditional Form of the Roman Rite, i.e. the Roman Liturgy as celebrated before the Second Vatican Council. In addition to the Liturgy, Church in the Modern World, the Church and the State issues, etc, are also issues that were questioned and the entire hermaneutic of interpretation of Vatican II with all that came before.
As we get further and further from the Council, the authentic interpretation gets seen more and more as the “Spirit of VII types” slowly pass from the scene.
Why the "westward facing" Altars?
The Crucifix and the TABERNACLE should be center of ALL Catholic Churches.
What did I miss.....................?
There are some progressives in my Church who want to make modifications to the building.
Some whacky design that very few are aware of.
My only question is (and the only one of importance) is.....will the Tabernacle be center?
........no reply as of yet. However, the majority want it that way.
No worries. The Church that Jesus founded will be here until the end of time.
If the "design committee" doesn't quite do it right, there will be no changes, because there will be no contributions.
Just the way it is.
“I think the issues go much further than just the Traditional Form of the Roman Rite, i.e. the Roman Liturgy as celebrated before the Second Vatican Council.”
Sure, that was just one line of attack. An important one, though.
“As we get further and further from the Council, the authentic interpretation gets seen more and more as the “Spirit of VII types” slowly pass from the scene.”
I have an intellectual issue that perhaps keeps me from seeing the good in Vat II, presuming that there was some.
Those “Spirit of VII types” were and are the same as those Pope Saint Pius X called “enemies of the Church. Pope Paul VI had to have known of their presence. How could he have failed to see that calling a council would be setting a match to tinder, that it would provide the theological leftists with the opening(s) they needed to…well, to do what they have done? Stupid, stupid, stupid. It played right into their hands.
I certainly don’t claim to understand everything that was decided at Vat II, and after, when—prepare to be offended—when Satan’s influence gave us the inferior liturgy with which we have been struggling for so long. So perhaps there is some good in there somewhere. However, down here at my level, everything I see that is attributable to Vat II or consequent “reforms” of the Church is deplorable.
The Masses in this diocese span the gamut from awful to horrible. If I had had to listen to one more note of the ghastly noise the “musicians” were making last Sunday I’d have screamed. Every note of it could have been taken from a protestant hymnal of the 1950s, but not even the Protestants of that era played that music as though they were at a hootenanny in a honkey-tonk.
Homilies are delivered by the deacons, rarely the priests, and some of the theology could have been dreamed up by George Carlin. I don’t know if they have room-temperature IQs, or they think their parishioners do. Last Sunday the guy was babbling something about how Our Lord was resurrected on “the eighth day of the week.” Never did figure out what that was supposed to be about.
Lately, “Let us proclaim the Mystery of Faith” has become “Let us proclaim the Mystery of *OUR* Faith.” What’s up with that? Is the Catholic faith just something that *we* do, with no wider implications for mankind, while other faiths with their own mysteries practice equally valid religions? I don’t think that’s what the Church says.
And while they halt the Mass for ten minutes so they can have their Assembly of God/Pentecostal Holiness/Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptist orgy of hand shaking, the priest demonstrates that he knows better than the Church what is proper by coming down into his “audience” to socialize. I wonder if he even knows that he is not supposed to do that?
No, I do the Assembly of God, Pentecostal Holiness, and Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists a disservice. I don’t remember seeing them doing anything as inappropriate, as downright irreverent and theologically bankrupt, as what they call a “sign of peace” around here. Although I do have to admit that it is entirely congruent with the musical “performance.”
Guess I’ll skip over the platoons of “ministers of the Eucharist,” the hand-holding during the Pater Noster and its protestantized ending, the wreckovated church with its altar facing north about halfway down the side of the building, which was constructed facing the East, and the fact that it’s easier to come face to face with a leprechaun around here than a priest. Which might be a blessing, considering that our bishop is still putting sex offenders back in parishes.
What, you can’t make it to the single hour of Confession on Saturday afternoon? Well, just telephone and make an appointment. Except that you can’t get the priests on the phone, and they take weeks to call back, if they ever do. Dear Lord, send us one faithful priest. Just one.
Oh, well, sorry for the rant. Sometimes I just get to feeling cheated.