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580 REASONS (and counting) WHY YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
Life After Ministries ^ | 2007

Posted on 01/12/2010 7:26:55 PM PST by Colofornian

Hideous. That was the one word a pastor used to describe Mormonism to me the day I sat with him to give pointers on how he could counsel a brand new Christian who happened to also be a third generation Mormon.

It’s easy enough for those of us who work in Mormon ministries to become immune to the day to day blasphemous teachings of the LDS Church. So when someone comes along that is unfamiliar with the nuances and outrageous theology, it always gives us a fresh take on the scenario.

There are many other books written by reputable pastors and ministry workers that are better written with their vast experience of working in ministry to Mormons and I would refer you to them to receive better insight of how and why the Mormon teachings are unbiblical. My top endorsement would go to Ed Decker with Saints Alive who has written an encyclopedic work of major tenets within Mormonism called Decker’s Complete Handbook on Mormonism.

I did not compile this work to outshine or out-do anyone else’s massive amount of research and time. This list came about by providing PSA’s (Public Service Announcements) for a Calvary Chapel radio station in Nebraska! I would record about 45-50 announcements every other week and in order to keep track of them I had to begin alphabetizing them and keeping a journal of what I had already recorded at the radio station. This is a short list of those PSA’s.

The pastor in charge of the radio ministry at Calvary Chapel in Nebraska had asked me to give a 30-90 second side by side comparison of Mormonism vs. Christianity. I’ve listed the LDS reference and the biblical refutation under each.

Our hope is that these will aid those of you who are looking for ways to witness to Mormons and you’ll be blessed by them! We know and understand there are many choices to make regarding which biblical verse or passage you could use to refute, the choices we’ve made are what the Lord has shown to us at this time.

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1 – Abortion

Ensign, November 1998, pg. 71; “Abortion is an ugly thing, a debasing thing, a thing which inevitably brings remorse and sorrow and regret…While we denounce it, we make allowance in such circumstances as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have serious defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.”

Genesis 9:6; “Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.”

2 – Abraham, Lineage of is Pure

Answers to Gospel Questions 1:171; “…Abraham, Joseph, and Moses married women of their own race, and we need have no worry over our lineage, because we are of that same race.”

Galatians 3:16; “Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”

3 – Abuse

Ensign, May 1992, pg. 31; “The victim must do all in his or her power to stop the abuse. Most often, the victim is innocent because of being disabled by fear or the power or authority of the offender. At some point in time, however, the Lord may prompt a victim to recognize a degree of responsibility for abuse. Your priesthood leader will help assess your responsibility so that, if needed, it can be addressed…

As a victim, do not waste effort in revenge or retribution against your aggressor. Focus on your responsibility to do what is in your power to correct. Leave the handling of the offender to civil and Church authorities. Whatever they do, eventually the guilty will face the Perfect Judge. Ultimately the unrepentant abuser will be punished by a just God.”

Psalm 18:45-48; “The strangers shall fade away, and be afraid out of their close places. 46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted. 47 It is God that avengeth me, and subdueth the people under me. 48 He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.”

4 – Active LDS

Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 14; “The religious practices of active Latter-day Saints include attendance at worship services and religious education classes on Sunday; donation of tithing and other financial contributions; service in a variety of Church callings; performance of temple ordinances on behalf of the deceased; personal and family prayer; scripture study; religious discussion with other family members; adherence to moral standards of personal honesty and integrity; genealogical research; service in the community; and development of habits of thrift and self-sufficiency.”

Isaiah 64:6; “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”

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5 – Adam & Eve Praises God for Their Sin

Moses 5:11; “And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.”

Genesis 3:9-16; “And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”

6 – Adam Created by the gods

EM, pg. 15; “Latter-day scriptures attest that Adam is a son of God, that his physical body was created by the Gods in their own image and placed in the Garden of Eden (Moses 6:9, 22; Abr. 5:7-11; TPJS, p. 345-53; cf. 2 Ne. 2:14-19).”

Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”

7 – Adam-God Doctrine

D&C 27:11; “And also with Michael, or Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days.”

D&C 78:16; “Who hath appointed Michael your prince, and established his feet, and set him upon high, and given unto him the keys of salvation under the counsel and direction of the Holy One, who is without beginning of days or end of life.”

Exodus 20:3-5; “Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.”

8 – Adam Holds Priesthood

EM pg. 16; “As the first on this earth to receive priesthood keys, Adam continues to dispense authority to others and to watch over priesthood administration on the earth; those to whom keys have been given must return them or account for them to Adam…”

Hebrews 7:5; “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham.”

9 – Adam Lived in America

Orson Pratt, JD 12:339; “The very first man who had dominion on the face of the earth, under the direction of the Heavens, once dwelt on this Continent. His name was Adam. Whether his first residence was on this land, whether the garden that was planted for his occupation was on this Continent, or some other, is not revealed in any written or printed revelation. But he certainly did, in the course of his lifetime, either from this being his native land, or by emigration, actually come in possession of this part of the globe…”

Genesis 2:15; “And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.”

10 – Adam Spread the Gospel

Adam, Who is He, pg. 9; “Adam received the holy priesthood and was commanded by the Lord to teach his children the principles of the gospel. Moreover, Adam was baptized for the remission of his sins, for the same principles by which men are saved now were the principles by which men were saved in the beginning. In that day as many as repented and were baptized received the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. Adam made all these things known to his sons and daughters." (Doctrines of Salvation, Bookcraft, 1956, 3:81-82.)”

Mark 1:1; “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God…” (Also see Matt. 4:16-17.)

11 – Adam is Archangel Michael

D&C 27:11; “And also with Michael, or Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days.”

Revelations 12:7; “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels.”

12 – Age of Man, Age of God

Doctrinal Themes of D&C pg. 17; “Thus, man is as old as God, in that the basic element of life within him was never created and, in fact, cannot be created.”

Deuteronomy 32:6; “Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?”

13 – Amalekites

Omni 1:12-30; “Behold, I am Amaleki, the son of Abinadom. Behold, I will speak unto you somewhat concerning Mosiah, who was made king over the land of Zarahemla; for behold, he being warned of the Lord that he should flee out of the land of Nephi, and as many as would hearken unto the voice of the Lord should also depart out of the land with him, into the wilderness—…30 And I, Amaleki, had a brother, who also went with them; and I have not since known concerning them. And I am about to lie down in my grave; and these plates are full. And I make an end of my speaking.”

Exodus 17:8-11; “Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim. 9 And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: to morrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in mine hand. 10 So Joshua did as Moses had said to him, and fought with Amalek: and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill. 11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.”

14 – Ammon Reads Man’s Thoughts

Alma 18:18; “Now when the king had heard these words, he marveled again, for he beheld that Ammon could discern his thoughts; but notwithstanding this, king Lamoni did open his mouth, and said unto him: Who art thou? Art thou that Great Spirit, who knows all things?”

Ps. 94:11; “The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.”

15 – Ammonites

Alma 24:17-18; “And now it came to pass that when the king had made an end of these sayings, and all the people were assembled together, they took their swords, and all the weapons which were used for the shedding of man's blood, and they did bury them up deep in the earth. 18 And this they did, it being in their view a testimony to God, and also to men, that they never would use weapons again for the shedding of man's blood; and this they did, vouching and covenanting with God, that rather than shed the blood of their brethren they would give up their own lives; and rather than take away from a brother they would give unto him; and rather than spend their days in idleness they would labor abundantly with their hands.”

Genesis 19:38; “And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.”

16 – Ancient of Days; Jesus or Adam?

TPJS, pg. 167; “Commencing with Adam, who was the first man, who is spoken of in Daniel as being the "Ancient of Days," or in other words, the first and oldest of all, the great, grand progenitor of whom it is said in another place he is Michael, because he was the first and father of all.”

Daniel 7:9; “I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.”

17 – Angels

D&C 129:1-9; “There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones—For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory. 4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you. 5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand. 6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message. 8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him. 9 These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.”

1 John 4:1; “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

18 – Angels & Handshakes

HC 5:267; “When a messenger comes, saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand, and request him to shake hands with you. If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand. If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect, he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear. Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message. If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him. These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.”

James 4:7-8; “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.”

19 – Angel of Light

Intro D&C (1976); Moroni is an “angel of light”.

2 Cor. 11:14; “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”

20 – Angel of Light, Other Gospels

Lord Needed a Prophet, pg. 10; “Joseph watched in wide-eyed wonderment as the personage moved toward him without touching the floor…Joseph was spellbound. He listened to the angel tell how, when the right time came, he—a poor farm boy—would be able to translate the ancient writing on the plates of gold. He would have the help of the Lord and two small stones called the Urim and Thummim…Moroni told Joseph many other marvelous things, but finally the light began to diminish, and Moroni disappeared. He returned to Joseph's bedside two more times during the night...”

Galatians 1:6-9; “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

21 – Antichrist – 2/2008

Confessing spirit of Smith is of God – Discourses of Brigham Young, pg. 435; “Whosoever confesseth that Joseph Smith was sent of God to reveal the holy Gospel to the children of men, and lay the foundation for gathering Israel, and building up the Kingdom of God on the earth, that spirit is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that God has sent Joseph Smith, and revealed the everlasting Gospel to and through him, is of Antichrist, no matter whether it is found in a pulpit or on a throne. 8:176.”

1 John 4:1-3; “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is the spirit of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already.”

22 – Apostasy of Body of Christ

Jesus the Christ, pg. 692; “For over seventeen hundred years on the eastern hemisphere, and for more than fourteen centuries on the western, there appears to have been silence between the heavens and the earth. Of direct revelation from God to man during this long interval, we have no authentic record. As already shown, the period of apostolic ministry on the eastern continent probably terminated before the dawn of the second century of the Christian era. The passing of the apostles was followed by the rapid development of a universal apostasy as had been foreseen and predicted.”

1 Thessalonians 4:8; “He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.”

23 – Apostasy; Church of the Devil

JD 18:215-216; “There are only two churches on the earth—only two parties. God leads the one, the devil the other. As soon as a man hears the Gospel preached and becomes convinced of this truthfulness, he is tempted of the devil, who, whenever there is an opportunity, suggests doubt for his reflection…This single doubt is perhaps the beginning of his apostacy from the Church. In the days of Joseph, people were inclined to turn away from the faith and go into apostacy [sic], as much as they do to in proportion to our numbers, and I have sometimes thought more so. You allow the devil to suggest to you that I am not leading you right, and allow that thought to abide in your hearts, and I will promise you that it will lead you to apostacy [sic]. You allow yourselves to doubt anything that God has revealed, and it will not be a great while before you begin to neglect your prayers, refuse to pay your Tithing, and find fault with the authorities of the Church.”

2 Timothy 2:19; “Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

24 – Apostasy, Signs of, Those Who Question - *

History of the Church 3:385; “I will give you one of the Keys of the mysteries of the Kingdom. It is an eternal principle, that has existed with God from all eternity: That man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy; and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives.”

Luke 13:26-27; “But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.”

25 – Apostates

January 1974 Ensign, pg. 78, Harold B. Lee; “…some of the greatest of our enemies are those within our own ranks. It was the lament of the Master, as he witnessed one of those chosen men, who under inspiration he chose as one of the Twelve, betray him with a kiss and for a few paltry pieces of silver turn him over to his enemies…When we see some of our own today doing similar things, some who have been recognized and honored in the past as teachers and leaders who later fall by the wayside, our hearts are made sore and tender. But sometimes we have to say just like the Master said, “The devil must have entered into them.”… “Many have belittled Joseph Smith, but those who have will be forgotten in the remains of mother earth, and the odor of their infamy will ever be with them, but honor, majesty, and fidelity to God, exemplified by Joseph Smith and attached to his name, will never die.”…No truer words were ever spoken, and that person fell just as all others will fall who try to tear down the work of the Lord.”

Mark 13:22-23; “For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.”

26 – Apostle

Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 59; “An "apostle" is an ordained leader in the Melchizedek Priesthood in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Apostles are chosen through inspiration by the president of the church, sustained by the general membership of the Church, and ordained by the First Presidency and the quorum of the Twelve apostles by the laying on of hands. They serve as general authorities-as distinguished from local and regional officers-holding their office as apostle for the duration of their lives. The senior apostle is the President of the Church.”

Matthew 19:28; “And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

27 – Apostles, Three Never Die

D&C 7:1-3, 7-8; “And the Lord said unto me: John, my beloved, what desirest thou? For if you shall ask what you will, it shall be granted unto you. And I said unto him: Lord, give unto me power over death, that I may live and bring souls unto thee. And the Lord said unto me: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, because thou desirest this thou shalt tarry until I come in my glory…And I will make thee to minister for him and for thy brother James; and unto you three I will give this power and the keys of this ministry until I come. Verily I say unto you, ye shall both have according to your desires, for ye both joy in that which ye have desired.”

John 21:20-23; “Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? 21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?” (Also see Foxe’s Book of Martyrs for listing of how each of these apostles died.)

28 – Apostles, Twelve Nephite

Latter-day Prophets & the D&C 1:101; “After Jesus had been crucified and had ascended unto his Father, he visited his "other sheep" in America, known as the Nephites, and there chose twelve disciples and organized his Church, as he had done among the Jews, an account of which is given in some detail in Third Nephi of the Book of Mormon. [3 Nephi 15:11-24.] (A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, 1950, pp. 51-52.)”

Isaiah 30:1-2; “Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: 2 That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!”

29 – Why Did the 12 Apostles Die?

Contributor 1:76; “The Book of Covenants plainly informs us that the disciples of Jesus were destroyed because they in their hearts forgave not one another.”

1 Thess. 1:5; “For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.”

2:10; “Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe.”

2 Cor. 1:12; “For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.”

30 – Archaeology & Book of Mormon

Answers to Gospel Questions 2:196; “It is the personal opinion of the writer that the Lord does not intend that the Book of Mormon, at least at the present time, shall be proved true by any archaeological findings. The day may come when such will be the case, but not now.”

Holman Bible Dictionary for Archaeology; “The purpose of archaeology is not to “prove the Bible.” This lies outside the scope of archaeology and, in any case, the Bible does not need to be “proved.” Archaeology can, however, make considerable contribution to one’s understanding of the Bible. It can help clarify and illuminate the Bible in many important ways.”

31 – Archaeology & Book of Mormon

Ray T. Matheny, Mormon scholar and BYU professor of anthropology, letter dated Dec. 17, 1987; “While some people chose to make claims for the Book of Mormon through archaeological evidences, to me they are made prematurely, and without sufficient knowledge. I do not support the books written on this subject including The Messiah in Ancient America, or any other. I believe that the authors are making cases out of too little evidences and do not adequately address the problems that archaeology and the Book of Mormon present. I would feel terribly embarrassed if anyone sent a copy of any book written on the subject to the National Museum of Natural History – Smithsonian Institution, or other authority, making claims that cannot as yet be substantiated.... there are very severe problems in this field in trying to make correlations with the scriptures. Speculation, such as practiced so far by Mormon authors has not given church members credibility.” 1 John 4:1-4; “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

32 – Arson, Nauvoo Expositor

Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 48; “By 1844 Joseph Smith also faced serious dissension within the Church. Several of his closest associates disagreed with him over the plural marriage revelation and other doctrines…They became allied with local anti-Mormon elements and published one issue of a newspaper, the Nauvoo Expositor. In it they charged that Joseph Smith was a fallen prophet, guilty of whoredoms, and dishonest in financial matters…The Nauvoo City Council and Mayor Joseph Smith declared the newspaper an illegal 'nuisance' and directed the town marshal to destroy the press. This destruction inflamed the hostile anti-Mormons around Nauvoo. On June 12, 1844, Thomas Sharp's newspaper, the Warsaw Signal, called for the extermination of the Latter-day Saints: "War and extermination is inevitable!”

Proverbs 10:6; “Blessings are upon the head of the just: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.”

33 – Atonement; Effects of

Ensign Nov. 2006, pg. 33; “Is it possible to reclaim a life that through reckless abandon has become so strewn with garbage that it appears that the person is unforgivable? Or what about the one who is making an honest effort but has fallen back into sin so many times that he feels that there is no possible way to break the seemingly endless pattern? Or what about the person who has changed his life but just can't forgive himself? . . ."The Atonement of Jesus Christ is available to each of us. His Atonement is infinite. It applies to everyone, even you. It can clean, reclaim, and sanctify even you. That is what infinite means--total, complete, all, forever.”

Revelations 21:1-7; “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”

34 – Atonement, Man Must Atone for Own Sin

MD, pg. 92; “But under certain circumstances there are some serious sins for which the cleansing of Christ does not operate, and the law of God is that men must then have their own blood shed to atone for their sins. Murder, for instance, is one of these sins; hence we find the Lord commanding capital punishment. Thus, also, if a person has so progressed in righteousness that his calling and election has been made sure, if he has come to that position where he knows "by revelation and the spirit of prophecy, through the power of the Holy Priesthood" that he is sealed up unto eternal life (D. & C. 131:5), then if he gains forgiveness for certain grievous sins, he must "be destroyed in the flesh," and "delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God." (D. & C. 132:19-27.)”

Romans 10:13; “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

35 – Atonement; Mormon Atonement is Peculiar

B.H. Roberts, Seventies Course in Theology 4:113-114; “Phase of the Atonement Peculiar to "Mormonism:" It may be remarked in passing that the difference noted in the foregoing paragraphs of this lesson on applying the Christ's Atonement to Adam's sin and man's personal sins—in the first case unconditional, and in the second conditional—is a doctrine, in modern times, peculiar to "Mormonism;" or, to speak more accurately, to the New Dispensation of the Gospel revealed to Joseph Smith; and is derived almost wholly from the teachings of the Book of Mormon.”

Galatians 3:15-17; “Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.”

36 – Atonement, Place of

EM, pg. 85; “To meet the demands of the Atonement, the sinless Christ went first into the Garden of Gethsemane, there to bear the spiritual agony of soul only he could bear. He "began to be sorrowful and very heavy," saying to his three chief disciples, "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, unto death" (Mark 14:34). Leaving them to keep watch, he went further into the garden, where he would suffer "the pains of all men, yea, the pains of every living creature, both men, women, and children, who belong to the family of Adam" (2 Ne. 9:21). There he "struggled and groaned under a burden such as no other being who has lived on earth might even conceive as possible" (JC, p. 613).”

Hebrews 13:12; “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”

37 – Authority to Preach

HC 5:256-7; “Whenever there has been a righteous man on earth unto whom God revealed His word and gave power and authority to administer in His name, and where there is a priest of God—a minister who has power and authority from God to administer in the ordinances of the gospel and officiate in the priesthood of God, there is the kingdom of God; and, in consequence of rejecting the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Prophets whom God hath sent, the judgments of God have rested upon people, cities, and nations, in various ages of the world, which was the case with the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, that were destroyed for rejecting the Prophets.”

John 15:16; “Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”

38 – Authorization for Twelve Nephites

3 Nephi 12:1; “And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words unto Nephi, and to those who had been called, (now the number of them who had been called, and received power and authority to baptize, was twelve) and behold, he stretched forth his hand unto the multitude, and cried unto them, saying: Blessed are ye if ye shall give heed unto the words of these twelve whom I have chosen from among you to minister unto you, and to be your servants; and unto them I have given power that they may baptize you with water; and after that ye are baptized with water, behold, I will baptize you with fire and with the Holy Ghost; therefore blessed are ye if ye shall believe in me and be baptized, after that ye have seen me and know that I am.”

1 Timothy 4:16; “Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.”

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39 – Babies; When Baby Kicks Spirit Enters Body

Brigham Young, JD 18:258-259; “When the body is prepared, at the proper time, the spirit enters the tabernacle, and all the world of mankind in their reflections and researches must come to this conclusion, for the fact is they can come to no other—that when the mother feels life there is an evidence that the spirit from heaven has entered the tabernacle.”

Genesis 2:7; “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

40 – Baptism for the Dead

D&C 124:29-30; “For a baptismal font there is not upon the earth, that they, my saints, may be baptized for those who are dead—For this ordinance belongeth to my house, and cannot be acceptable to me, only in the days of your poverty, wherein ye are not able to build a house unto me.”

1 Cor. 15:29; “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?”


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To: Ripliancum; Chuck54
I don't think you'll get much better from FR. This is a daily multiple occurrence...

In some communities visited by the 60,000 Lds missionaries, the makeup is 50-75% Christian. Yet the Christian homes seem like flames drawing the Lds moths. They don't target the high non-Christian % communities.

And the 70-hour Lds missionary work weeks -- with only a day set aside (preparatio day) is about a "daily occurrence."

When Marion G. Romney (cousin to Mitt's father, George) headed up the training of Lds missionaries in the 60s, he ensured that one of the top four "talking points" they would engage in was about the "universal apostasy" -- the accusation that all Protestants, all Catholics, all Orthodox & their churches/sects, were guilty of apostasy.

Doesn't that make Mormons anti-Christians, Rip?

Why does your founder's "first vision" accuse 100% of Christian creeds as an "abomination" to your God. What? You don't think there's a day that goes by without that slander being read world-wide in over 100 translations of the Pearl of Great Price? What about the accusation in that document that ALL Christian professors are "corrupt?"

Why no u-turns or apologies from Lds, Inc. on that?

41 posted on 01/12/2010 10:07:30 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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To: Colofornian
You didn't address it, you actually sided with this deceptive pastor.

You have no idea how abortion is abhorred in LDS doctrine. NO IDEA. You pick and choose hatchet jobs and make an offender for a word. As one who has been on an adoption waiting list for 18 months, I can attest how precious children are within the LDS community. Life is precious, and it's a rare moment indeed when a Mormon is counseled to have to make such a horrible decision. Not even birth defects are appropriate for such an evil. I have several relatives and friends with downs syndrome children, as well as other fetal defects. I have known women who at the peril of their own lives, and in one case, her life was lost, chose the child over herself in a life and death decision moment.

This is not a light decision, not for any Mormon I know.

Shame on you Colofornian! Knock it off!

42 posted on 01/12/2010 10:08:04 PM PST by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-2)
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To: Colofornian

You just never stop.


43 posted on 01/12/2010 10:09:38 PM PST by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-2)
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To: Ripliancum
This is not a light decision, not for any Mormon I know.

Do you realize how many pro-abortion books & pro-abortion statements I've read in the past 25 years that talk about how abortion is such a "dilemma?" Don't you realize that slicing up another human being is only a "dilemma" to those pre-disposed to doing exactly that?

Think of Solomon in the Bible where he recommended how the "dilemma" of the dual claim to a baby would be resolved. Why just slice the baby in half & give each half! Dilemma "solved." (Oh, but I'm sure had Solomon really followed through on it -- and I'm sure he wouldn't have -- that he would have received "counsel" from the Mormon god, telling Solomon, "You know, before you take the sword to that baby, please realize bringing that sword down upon that baby is not a 'light decision' to do that. But I've OK'd the 'swing away'").

Life is precious, and it's a rare moment indeed when a Mormon is counseled to have to make such a horrible decision.

Let me make my point crystal clear: This statement you recited to me is already a statement of "counsel." It already says way too much to moms & dads of pre-borns & already borns. What does it convey to its readers?

Have a disabled child? (Pray about slicing them up)
Not feeling healthy, mom? (Pray about slicing up your offspring)
Have an incest perp for a stepfather? (Cover up the crime by doing away with the all-too-obvious "evidence")
Not sure whether to abort? (That's OK, we know God approves killing off SOME of our next generation; just pray about, and don't kill anyone "lightly")

THAT is the counsel that your supposed "Amos 3:7" "prophets" are giving -- and that tells me they aren't representing the Creator God who crafts each child preciously in the womb (Ps. 139) -- who knows them before they were even conceived!

You have no idea how abortion is abhorred in LDS doctrine. NO IDEA

Well, ya know, I actually agree with you here 100%. And you know why? Because the statement you quoted to me; the 1973 Lds first presidency statement; the other two I've seen -- including the one in the Bishops handbook not readily accessable to grassroots Mormons -- all utterly FAIL to convey how horrific and abhorrent abortion truly is!!! And if readers have absolutely NO IDEA, it's because the so-called general authorities & First Presidency & "Prophets" who wrote it don't know the true Creator or His Word in the Bible to begin with.

Because if they did, they would know that Jesus and the gospel writers used to the exact same Greek word -- brephos -- to describe both born and preborn. They would know that the Biblical writers made no such "pray about killing" distinctions based upon whether their residency was inside a womb or outside of one. They would know that at whatever stage of development in life, that God created this child and doesn't do cartwheels with language to make unbiblical distinctions!!!

And if no Mormon is willing to give feedback to the utter "failures" of these statements to Lds HQ, then they are more a part of the problem than any true rescue of the pre-born who are slaughtered.

44 posted on 01/12/2010 10:26:57 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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To: Ripliancum

I don’t know how “It’s intentionally deceptive and misleading” when you were able to see that there is missing text. I don’t know what the missing text in your example changed much to me but I’m not LDS. I have seen apologists LDS articles here on FR but nobody seems to rebut the content here only use general dislike for the article.


45 posted on 01/12/2010 10:37:59 PM PST by the_daug
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To: Colofornian

Again, reading into things that are simply NOT THERE. Offending for a word, or worse yet, you’re interpretation of the word.

Mormons have among the lowest abortion rates in the country, if not the lowest, even lower than Catholics, and yet you get on your high horse and try to throw anything that will stick. Multiple times a day.

This is a waste of time. I am disgusted, and going to bed. Don’t expect me to continue with you in the am.


46 posted on 01/12/2010 10:40:38 PM PST by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-2)
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To: behzinlea; Colofornian

Your general and insistent unchristian nastiness contrasted....persuaded me to ask a Mormon friend of mine to send some missionaries by.

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Colofornian has not shown ANY nastiness, general or otherwise. You owe him an apology.

And how would posting what the LDS believe be “nastiness”, the text of the above is taken from their own sources. If they really believe that they are the ONLY true church (the rest of us are “apostates” and blinded by Satan), then they should be proud of their history/doctrine.

One of the reasons I left the LDS church was because I was told that on my mission I was expected to either lie about what we believed or omit certain doctrines. I could not do that, I believed the LDS church was the ONLY true church and we should not have to lie. I was lied to both while I was meeting the Missionaries and after I was a member, by my own (LDS) church leaders. There is NO excuse for that.

I suggest you take a look at these sites before you meet with the LDS. Many who leave the LDS have very good, very valid reasons for doing so. I am one of them.

www.irr.org/mit

www.utlm.org

BTW, both sites contain accurate, well documented sources.

If you do decide you are going to meet with the LDS missionaries, here are some questions you should ask them:

http://cbcblackfoot.com/files/Ask_Your_Bishop.pdf

God puts great premium upon faith; but He doesn’t want us to be gullible. The Bible called
people “noble” who readily accepted Paul’s preaching, but were cautious enough to “search
the scriptures...whether those things were so” (Acts 17:11). Sincerity is not enough! One also
has an obligation to be right! Have you ever carefully compared your beliefs with the
teachings of the Bible?
The following 100 questions have been prepared for sincere and thoughtful people to ask
about Mormonism.
1. If the principle of “Progression” is unalterable, why has the principle broken down two
out of three times right within the Godhead? (See the next two questions).
2. If Gods are individuals who have passed through mortality and have progressed to
Godhood, how has one person of the Godhead (the Holy Spirit) attained Godhood
without getting a body? (See Acts 5:3,4).
3. If Gods are individuals who have passed through an earth life to attain Godhood, how is
it that one person of the Godhead (Jesus Christ) was God before He received a body or
passed through earth life? (Matthew 1:23 and Hebrews 10:5).
4. If the Book of Mormon really contains the fullness of the gospel, why does it not teach
the doctrine of “eternal progression”? (See Doctrine and Covenants 20:8, 9).
5. When God was a man (according to Mormon theology), where did He live before He
could create a planet upon which to live?
6. When God number one was a man (before He became God), who created a planet upon
which he (man number one) could live? (See Revelation 1:8; 4:11).
7. God said, “Is there a God beside me? Yea, there is no God; I know not any.” How can
there be Gods who are Elohim’s ancestors? (See Isaiah 44:8 and Journal of Discourses,
Vol. 1, pg. 123).
8. If God the Father was once a man, why is that doctrine not supported by “Latter-day
revelation”?
9. How can any men ever become Gods when the Bible says, “Before me there was no God
formed, neither shall there be after me”? (See Isaiah 43:10).
10. Since Mormonism teaches that only God the Father had a physical body at the time
Adam was created, why did God say, “Let us make man in OUR image”? Why didn’t He
say, “Let us make man in MY image”? (See Genesis 1:26).
11. If Adam is the “only God with whom we have to do”, did Adam create himself? (Journal
of Discourses, Vol. 1, pg. 50, 51).
12. Joseph Smith stated that without the ordinances and authority of the priesthood no man
can see the face of God and live (Doctrine and Covenants 84:21, 22). He also said that he
saw God in 1820 (Joseph Smith 2:17). Joseph Smith, however, never received any
priesthood until 1829 (Doc. & Cov. 13). How did he see God and survive? In which was
he in error: his revelation in Doctrine and Covenants 84:21, 22 or his experience in the
grove?
13. If a spirit is a being without a body (See Luke 24:39), why do Mormons teach that God
the Father has a body of flesh and bones? (See John 4:24 and Doc. & Cov. 130:22).
14. If the Father is Elohim and Jesus is Jehovah (as Mormons teach), how does a Mormon
explain Deuteronomy 6:4, which in the Hebrew says, “Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our
Elohim is one Jehovah”? Also, if the designation LORD God (Jehovah Elohim) is a
reference to two individuals, why are singular pronouns used in Deuteronomy 6:13?
15. If the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel, why doesn’t it teach that God
was once a man?
16. One law of reproduction is that everything reproduces after its kind. How is it then that
God and His wives, who according to Mormon teaching, have physical glorified bodies,
produce children without physical bodies? (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; Mormon
Doctrine, by Bruce R. McConkie, pg. 750).
17. A major emphasis of Mormonism is that the Mormon church is the restored church,
with everything practiced as it was in the early church. Why then have the Mormon
leaders failed to restore the scriptural practice of using the “fruit of the vine” in the
“sacrament” service? Why is water used? (Matthew 26:28, 29 and Doc. and Cov. 89:5, 6).
18. If Mormonism is the restored church which is based upon the Bible, why are Mormon
leaders so quick to state that the Bible is “translated wrong” when faced with some
conflict between the Bible and Mormonism?
19. If Jesus was conceived as a result of a physical union between God and Mary, how was
Jesus born of a virgin? (Journal of Discourses Vol. 1, pg. 50 and Doctrines of Salvation, by
Joseph Fielding Smith, compiled by Bruce R. McConkie, Vol. 1, pg. 18).
20. If Mormonism is the restored gospel, why is there no mention of temple marriages in
the Bible?
21. If the Bible is not entirely translated correctly and if the Mormon church really has a
prophet, seer and revelator, why have they not produced a correct translation of the
Bible?
22. Why did Christ not return in 1891 as Joseph Smith predicted? (History of the Church,
Vol. 2, pg. 182).
23. If Jesus was being married to Mary and Martha in Cana, why was He invited to His own
wedding? (John 2:1, 2; Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, pg. 210).
24. Why do Mormons teach that there is no eternal Hell? (See Book of Mormon, I Nephi
14:3; 15:35; II Nephi 1:13; 9:16; 28:21-25; Mosiah 3:25; Alma 34:32-35; Heleman 6:28.
Compare Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, pg. 61, 34th edition).
25. How can Mormons teach that the repentant thief was not saved when the Book of
Mormon states that Paradise is where the righteous go? (Luke 23:43; Alma 40:12,16).
26. How did Nephi with a few men on a new continent build a temple like Solomon’s while
Solomon needed 163,300 workmen and seven years to build his temple? (See I Kings 5:13-
18 and II Nephi 5:15-17).
27. If the Book of Mormon is true, why hasn’t a valid geography been established for the
book?
28. Why was Joseph Smith still preaching against polygamy in October 1843 after he got his
revelation in July 1843 commanding the practice of polygamy? (Doctrine and Covenants
132 and History of the Church, Vol. 6, pg. 46, or Teachings of the Prophet, by Joseph
Fielding Smith, pg. 324).
29. If Lehi left Jerusalem before 600 B.C., how did he learn about synagogues? (See II Nephi
26:26).
30. Why does the Book of Mormon, which claims to be the fullness of the gospel, not
mention baptism for the dead? (Book of Mormon, Introduction).
31. If the Book of Mormon is from God, why does it have so little original prophecy?
32. If Indians descended from the Jews, why do they have such sparse beards?
33. If Navajos descended from the Jews, why do Navajo babies have the Mongolian spot?
34. If the Book of Mormon is true, why do Indians fail to turn white when they become
Mormons? (See II Nephi 30:6, prior to 1981 revision). Why was this verse changed?
35. Were precious ores, such as Solomon used in his temple available to Nephi or not? (II
Nephi 5:15,16).
36. If Lehi was a devout Jew, why did he name a son “Sam” rather than Samuel, thus failing
to honor God? (See I Samuel 1:20 and I Nephi 2:5).
37. What kind of chariots did the Nephites have in 90 B.C. some 1500 years before the
introduction of the wheel in the Western Hemisphere? (See Alma 18:9).
38. How do Mormons account for the word “church” in the Book of Mormon about 600
B.C. which was centuries before the beginning of the Church on the day of Pentecost?
(See I Nephi 4:26).
39. How do Mormons account for the italicized words in the King James Version
(indicating their absence in the Hebrew and Greek) being found in the Book of
Mormon? (A comparison of Mosiah 14 and Isaiah 53 will provide at least 13 examples).
40. How did the French word adieu get into the Book of Mormon? (Jacob 7:27).
41. How can the same act be both right and wrong? Was it right or wrong for Solomon to
have many wives? (See Jacob 2:24; Doctrine and Covenants 132:38,39).
42. If polygamy was a provision for increasing population rapidly, why did God give Adam
only one wife?
43. If the Apostle John is still alive on the earth, how does the Mormon church explain
having thirteen living Apostles? (See Doctrine and Covenants 7:1-3).
44. The original Doctrine and Covenants states in part “...Inasmuch as this church of Christ
has been reproached with the crime of fornication and polygamy: we declare that we
believe that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in
the case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again.” Why has this been omitted
from the current Doctrine and Covenants? (See Joseph Smith Begins His Work, Vol. 2,
pg. 251, last half of the book, which is a reprint of the 1835 edition of Doctrine and
Covenants).
45. How can one, using the test in Doctrine and Covenants 129:4, 5, distinguish between an
angel of God and a Jehovah’s Witness missionary, or a Mormon Elder?
46. If Joseph Smith was a true prophet, why did he not realize that “Esaias” is the New
Testament form of “Isaiah”? (Doctrine and Covenants 76:100; Mark 7:6; Isaiah 29:13).
47. How could Elijah (Elias) have appeared to Joseph Smith in the Kirkland Temple as two
different people? (See Doctrine and Covenants 110: 12, 13 and compare I Kings 17:1 and
James 5:17).
48. If Joseph Smith was a true prophet, why did he fail to realize that “Elias” is the New
Testament form of the name “Elijah”?
49. If children have no sins until they are eight years old, why are they baptized at age eight
to wash away non-existent sins? (See Moroni 8:8).
50. Why does Apostle Bruce R. McConkie deny that the doctrine of “blood atonement” was
once taught in Utah? (See Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce R. McConkie, pg. 92. Compare
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, pg. 247; Vol. 4, pgs. 219, 220).
51. If Mormonism produces godliness, why has the divorce rate in Utah been above the
national average most years since 1960? (Report of Utah Economic and Research Review
in 1973 and 1987 Statistical Abstract of Utah, pg. 34).
52. How could the Garden of Eden have been in Missouri when the Pearl of Great Price
declares that it was in the vicinity of Assyria and had the Euphrates and Hiddekel Rivers
in it? (See Pearl of Great Price, Moses 3:14 and Doctrine and Covenants 116 and 117;
Genesis 2:8-15).
53. Do you know any human being living today who was alive in 1832? (See prophecy in
Doctrine and Covenants 84:4).
54. If free agency is man’s great heritage, why will Mormon leaders not readily allow
members to leave the Mormon system upon request?
55. Brigham Young said, “The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those
who enter into polygamy” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. ll, pg. 269). Why did the
Mormons yield to the pressure of the government and stop practicing polygamy?
56. Heber C. Kimball stated, “We are the people of Deseret, she shall be no more Utah: we
will have our own name”. Why did this prophecy fail? (See Journal of Discourses Vol. 5,
pg. 161).
57. How did Joseph Smith carry home the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, and how
did the witnesses lift them so easily? (They weighed about 230 pounds. Gold, with a
density of 19.3 weighs 1204.7 lb.. per cubic foot. The plates were 7” x 8” by about 6”. See
Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, pg. 262, 34th Edition).
58. If a “Jack Mormon” is not good enough to enter an earthly temple, how can he qualify to
enter the Celestial Kingdom even if he has been sealed to his devout parents?
59. If Moroni devoutly practiced the Mormon gospel, why is he an angel now rather than a
God? (See Doctrine and Covenants 132:17, 37).
60. Has anyone observed the ministry of the Apostle John upon the earth during the last
100 years? (See Doctrine and Covenants 7:1-3).
61. Why do Mormons emphasize part of the Word of Wisdom and ignore the part
forbidding the eating of meat except in winter, cold or famine? (See Doctrine and
Covenants 89:12,13).
62. When Christ died, did darkness cover the land for three days or for three hours? (See
Luke 23:44 and III Nephi 8:19, 23).
63. If the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, why have the
Mormons changed it? (See A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, by Le Grand Richards, pg.
73, revised edition 1971). (Jerald and Sandra Tanner counted 3,913 changes in the Book of
Mormon, exclusive of punctuation changes, prior to the revisions made in 1981. One
may check the original in Joseph Smith Begins His Work, by Wilford C. Wood, Vol. 1).
64. How can a man be a prophet of God if even one prophecy fails or one revelation is
wrong? (See Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Compare Doctrine and Covenants 84:4; 7:1-3).
65. Is a revelation given by a prophet any less authoritative even if not authorized by the
Mormon church?
66. If God speaks through a prophet, what are Mormons doing voting on whether or not to
receive and authorize it?
67. It has been established that the “Sensen” manuscript was simply a common Egyptian
burial papyrus. Why do the Mormons still accept the Book of Abraham which was
translated from that manuscript? (See Why Egyptologists Reject the Book of Abraham,
Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P.O. Box 1884, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110).
68. Why is it that no reliable linguist or Egyptologist ever refers to “Reformed Egyptian”?
69. Why is it that no other writings have been found in the language of “Reformed
Egyptian”, the supposed language of the Book of Mormon plates? Is there evidence that
such a language really existed?
70. Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and
live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust
him regarding the way to Heaven? (See The Young Woman’s Journal, Vol. 3, pgs. 263,
264. See reprint in Mormonism—Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, pg. 4).
71. Why didn’t Joseph Smith keep the Word of Wisdom? Why did he drink beer? (See
Millennial Star, Vol. 23, pg. 720).
72. Why do Mormons not study Hebrew and Greek so that they can intelligently discuss
about the accuracy of the translation of the Bible?
73. Joseph Smith prepared fourteen Articles of Faith. Why has the original # ll been
omitted? (See Joseph Smith Begins His Work, Vol. 2, three pages after pg. 160, among
the photos).
74. Why have several dozen word changes been made in the Articles of Faith of the
Mormon church? (Ibid).
75. According to Hebrews 7:24, the Melchizedek Priesthood is unchangeable
(intransferable). Why do Mormons pass it from one to another?
76. If Mormonism came as a revelation from God, why were the Mormon Temple Oaths
almost identical to the oaths of the Masonic Lodge? (See Temple Mormonism, by A.J.
Montgomery, pg. 18,20). Does it not bother faithful Mormons to realize that “Divinely
given” ceremonies have been changed? (See The Daily Herald, Provo, Utah, April 29,
1990).
77. If in the resurrection, people will be AS the angels in Heaven, why should the Mormons
expect there to be marriage union in Heaven? (See Matthew 22:30 and Doctrine and
Covenants 132:15-17).
78. Why did the Nauvoo House not stand forever and ever? (Doctrine and Covenants
124:56-60).
79. If genealogies are important, why does the New Testament tell Christians to avoid
“endless genealogies”? (I Timothy 1:4; Titus 3:9).
80. The Bible says, “The blood of Jesus Christ...cleanseth from all sin.” Why did Brigham
Young say that there are some sins which can be atoned for only by the shedding of ones
own blood? (See Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, pg. 247; Vol. 4, pg. 49, 53, 54).
81. God rejected the fig leaf aprons which Adam and Eve made. Why do Mormons
memorialize the fall by using fig leaf aprons? (See Genesis 3:21).
82. Jesus said, “In secret have I said nothing.” Why is much of Mormonism secret? (John
18:20).
83. Why do Mormons insist that Ezekiel 37:15-22 is about two books instead of about two
kingdoms as God Himself explained in verse 22?
84. If Acts 3:20,21 is a prophecy about the restoration of Mormonism, why didn’t Jesus
return in 1830?
85. Revelation 14:6,7 is part of the body of prophecy about the future Great Tribulation.
How could that passage have been fulfilled by Moroni in 1830? (Mormon Doctrine, by
Bruce R. McConkie, pg. 514).
86. In the light of Ezekiel 28:13-15 and Hebrews 1:5, how can Satan and Jesus be brothers?
(Note: Satan was created). (See Mormon Doctrine page 129, where Jesus is referred to as
the firstborn of the Father, and page 192 where it says that the devil is a spirit son of
God).
87. If no person ever receives the Holy Spirit before baptism or without the laying on of
hands, how does a Mormon explain the case of Cornelius? (See Acts 10:44-47).
88. If baptism for the dead was a Christian ceremony, why did Paul use the pronoun “they”
rather than “we” or “ye”? Why did he exclude himself and other Christians when
referring to it? (I Corinthians 15:29).
89. If Jesus preached the gospel to disobedient spirits during the time His body was
entombed, why did He preach only to the ones who had been disobedient in Noah’s
time? Why didn’t He give a second chance to those who had lived later, such as in
Isaiah’s time? (See I Peter 3:18-20).
90. Since the Bible says that a Bishop should be the husband of one wife, how can Mormons
claim that polygamy is proper for New Testament Christians? (I Timothy 3:2).
91. If the Mormon church is organized according to the pattern of the Bible, why do they
have boy deacons? ( I Tim. 3:8-12).
92. If murder is the unpardonable sin, why did Moses appear in glory on the Mount of
Transfiguration? (Exodus 2:12; Matthew 17:3; Doctrine and Covenants 42:18 and Alma
24:10).
93. How can a man who is not a descendant of Aaron hold the Aaronic Priesthood?
(Numbers 3:10; 16:40; Hebrews 7:13,14).
94. How could God have justly placed Adam and Eve in a predicament which forced them
to break either His first or His second commandment? (See Genesis 1:28; 2:16, 17; James
1:13).
95. Since Jesus said that the broad way leads to destruction, why does the Mormon church
teach that the broad way leads to the Terrestrial Heaven? (Compare Matthew 7:13,14
with the Free Agency chart No. 30).
96. Ephesians 2:8,9 speaks of salvation by grace through faith. How can this be
resurrection which Mormons say that all people will receive automatically? Do all
people have faith? (See Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, pg. 87, 34th edition).
97. Ephesians 2:8,9 further states that this salvation is the gift of God and is not of works.
How can this be exaltation? (Mormons teach that exaltation is attained by obedience,
works and keeping the commandments). (Ibid. pg. 87 and A Marvelous Work and a
Wonder, by Le Grand Richards, pg. 276, revised edition 1971).
98. If salvation as taught in the Bible is neither resurrection nor exaltation, how can
Mormons hear the Bible way of salvation in a Mormon Church?
99. How does a Mormon explain Romans 10:13? (Neither general salvation nor individual
salvation fits this text).
100. Why don’t Mormons ever say, “I was saved on such and such a day?” (See past tense in
Titus 3:5).
* * * * * * * * * * *
TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU
1. Are you sincere enough about your personal salvation and eternal destiny that you will
carefully study the following Bible references to discover the Bible way of salvation?
(John 10:9; I Corinthians 1:18; Ephesians 2:8-10; Colossians 1:12-14; Romans 5:8; I Peter
2:24; Acts 16:31; John 1:12; I John 5:12,13; Romans 5:1 and Romans 8:1).
2. Are you courageous enough to personally receive the Lord Jesus Christ into your heart
and follow the truth regardless of ridicule, antagonism or persecution? (John 1:12;
Colossians 1:27; Revelation 3:20; and Revelation 22:17).
* * * * * * * * * * *


47 posted on 01/12/2010 11:10:58 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ejonesie22; behzinlea

If that is how you make decisions about your immortal soul it explains a lot...

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It does. We should pray for him/her. It really breaks my heart to think that someone else would submit themselves to the burden I was so thankfully freed from.

Why would anyone CHOOSE to be a slave?


48 posted on 01/12/2010 11:13:36 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Ripliancum; Colofornian

You just never stop.

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2 Corinthians 11:12-13

12. And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.

13. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.

I (as will Colofornian and others)will continue to proclaim the TRUE gospel of Christ against counterfeit gospels with my very last breath.


49 posted on 01/12/2010 11:16:59 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Do you believe that Catholics should leave the Catholic Church?

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I consider Catholics to be my brothers and sister in Christ. They accept the trinity, the person work and nature of Jesus Christ and His atonement for the sins of mankind on the Cross.

The LDS do not. I was LDS for several years (and a good one at that). I long to see my friends who are still LDS come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.


50 posted on 01/12/2010 11:24:19 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: JAKraig

They will tell you that hate has killed a lot of Mormons.

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Have them name them. This is a “faith promoting rumor” that the LDS put out. Their own leaders (BY especially) contributed to the death of more LDS than “hate” by “gentiles” has.

Typical LDS victim card. The actual numbers are far less.

If you have so many LDS friends, perhaps you should research their beliefs more carefully so you can be a better witness of the Christ of the Bible to them. IOW, read both sides, most of us “antis” here have been LDS and left because we discovered the truth about their history and compared their beliefs to the Bible.

It is never loving to let someone run headlong into damnation, which is where their false christ will lead them.

Been there, done that, read the book, saw the movie, wore the holy underwear.


51 posted on 01/12/2010 11:43:10 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian

The best and most important reason for leaving the LDS church is:

Coming to a real, personal relationship with the Jesus Christ of the Bible (which the LDS teach against) and realizing that He died to pay for the sins of man on the cross.

Only Jesus can break the chains of legalism and relieve the burdens the LDS church places on its members.

I thank God every day He delivered me from those chains and saved me.

Glory be to God alone (not Joseph Smith).


52 posted on 01/12/2010 11:46:57 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: teppe

Look at your own religion with a fraction of the intensity that you look at ours..

All of the Catholic Creeds which the Protestants use to define thier Godhead (instead of using the bible) are an abomination to God. You reject other Catholic teachings ... why hold onto the Nicean, Apostolic and Athenasian Creeds? Why not follow the Bible?

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I have looked at my own religion with MORE intensity than I looked at the LDS when I converted. My Christian faith withstands scruitny, the LDS did/does not. The problems of Mormonism was a very hard realization to deal with, but Thank God I had several Christian friends (including Catholics) that helped me work through “losing my religion” and coming to a faith in Christ alone to save me.

My theology is based upon the Bible, not fictional 19th century works and an Egyptian funeral papyrus.

There was NEVER an apostasy, thus no need for a “restoration”. Christ said the “gates of hell” would not prevail against His church. So if there was an apostasy, that would make Jesus a liar. And if He was a liar, then He could not be Savior.

Contrary to your statement, the creeds (which are a foundation of Catholic/Protestant belief) are NOT an abomination and DO have biblical basis. The creeds were developed as a unifying statement of faith against many of the same gnostic heresies that Joseph Smith revived.

The LDS have no room to claim that creeds are an abomination since they have their own in their Articles of Faith.

And, while we are on the subject, exactly WHAT part of the following (Apostles creed)is an abomination to God??? Hmmm??? Please be specific.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;

He descended unto the dead.

The third day He arose again from the dead;

He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting.


53 posted on 01/12/2010 11:59:35 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian

Everything I know about Mormonism I learned from South Park.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104253


54 posted on 01/13/2010 12:02:25 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Colofornian; Ripliancum

You only pounce on those who are spiritually vulnerable?

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Well, that IS what they teach at the MTC and mission prep classes at BYU (at least when I was there).

We were told to avoid people who knew the Bible well, and seek out those who had recently lost loved ones, gotten married or had children since they were more vulnerable and thus more open to the missionary discussions.

You know, it makes me sick that I actually wanted to serve an LDS mission.


55 posted on 01/13/2010 12:05:38 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian; Ripliancum; Chuck54

Why does your founder’s “first vision” accuse 100% of Christian creeds as an “abomination” to your God. What? You don’t think there’s a day that goes by without that slander being read world-wide in over 100 translations of the Pearl of Great Price? What about the accusation in that document that ALL Christian professors are “corrupt?”

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Don’t forget that until the 1990 changes in the endowment ceremony a Protestant minister was portrayed as a hireling of Satan.


56 posted on 01/13/2010 12:07:38 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Ripliancum

Really? Then why does the LDS church handbook of instructions seem much more lenient than you make the LDS policy sound.

FWIW, I knew 5 LDS women (3 diff wards) who were counseled to consider/have abortions b/c their health or age. I am not saying this is true of the LDS church as a whole, but it does happen and the attitude (especially outside of Utah) is much less restricted than often portrayed.

The Church Handbook of Instructions, approved in September, 1998, states that abortion may be performed in the following circumstances: pregnancy resulting from rape or incest; a competent physician says the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy; or a competent physician says that the “fetus” has severe defects that will not allow the “baby” to survive beyond birth. In any case, the persons responsible must first consult with their church leader and receive God’s approval in prayer (156).


57 posted on 01/13/2010 12:12:36 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Ripliancum; Colofornian

Mormons have among the lowest abortion rates in the country, if not the lowest, even lower than Catholics,

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Sources??

In my experience, I know 5 LDS women who had abortions (all active), and I know one practicing Catholic who has. I do not know any practicing Evangelical who has.

Interesting that.


58 posted on 01/13/2010 12:15:50 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Lancey Howard

“dum..dum..dum..dum...”

Regarding Martin Harris’ wife: “Smart...Smart...Smart...Smart..”


59 posted on 01/13/2010 12:18:18 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

The Judaizers mentioned by Paul believed all the other “right things” about Jesus as well; but Paul called them “false brethren” for putting conditions on God’s saving grace.


60 posted on 01/13/2010 2:49:49 AM PST by Phantom4
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