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To: CottShop

I will only point out that Paul mentions several gifts such as teaching, helping, and gifts of government, in that same group. How would we know which are no longer needed?

I suggest trying to read your Bible without depending on the words of men...no matter how wonderful, intelligent or spiritual they seem to be. The Bible is pretty clear...if you get the right translation.


36 posted on 01/09/2010 6:14:41 PM PST by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: norge

There are the gifts of the spirit which each believer possesses, and miracle gifts, or sign gifts, which were temporary which the Apostles were given to give witness to the power and truth of God during the time it was needed

[[I suggest trying to read your Bible without depending on the words of men]]

Are yuo suggesting I not rely o nthe gifts God gave these folks to correctly interpret His word in context? God gifts soem men and women with the ability and authority to correctly interpret His word, authority in spiritual matters, that most of us are not gifted with- It is the gift whereby the Spirit appoints certain Christians to lead, inspire, and develop the churches of God by the proclamation and the teaching of true doctrine. He gifts these folks for our benifits, and we shoudl NOT fear hearing and learnign from them.

Again I ask, where are the healers rasing peopel fro m the dead? Is God’s power to do so less today than in yesteryear when the apostles were specifically assigned the ‘sign gifts’? Do healers of today just not ‘have as much faith’ as the apostles did back then? Were the apostles soemhow superhuman i ntheir faith in contrast to us today? Or has ‘the power’ simply fallen off in power over the years?


38 posted on 01/09/2010 8:41:36 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: norge

Here’s a pretty good link:

“This observation brings us to a brief analysis of what are considered sign gifts by those within the Charismatic movement. A comparison of the so-called miracles within Charismatic churches and what occurred in the Bible will prove that modern Charismatic “miracles” have nothing in common with the miracles in Scripture. There are three areas that need to be considered: (1) What is the purpose of the Charismatic “miracles”? (2) Are Charismatic miracles conducted in the same circumstances as the miracles in the New Testament? (3) Are Charismatic faith healers performing the same type of miracles found in the New Testament? (4) Are Charismatic faith healers performing the same type of miracles found in the New Testament?”

http://www.reformedonline.com/view/reformedonline/Spiritual%20Gifts,%20part%207.htm


39 posted on 01/09/2010 8:46:36 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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