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Defending the Faith (Catholic Caucus)
self ^ | January 8, 2010 | vanity

Posted on 01/08/2010 11:01:28 AM PST by Judith Anne

In the age of the internet, a lot of very good information is readily available for those who have sincere questions about the Catholic Church. The Catholic Encyclopedia, the Online Catechism, many good apologetic sites--all have excellent answers to nearly any question that anyone could devise.

There is really no need for FR Catholics to engage in endless religious argument, and I would like to urge us all to simply refrain. We could resign from the debating society and let those who sincerely want to learn seek it out for themselves from a local priest or look it up on the net. Others, who do not sincerely want to learn, could be ignored, and privately remembered in prayer.

Opinions from fellow Catholics?


TOPICS: Apologetics
KEYWORDS: catholics
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To: marshmallow

ROFL! Fire and brimstone! Yee-haw!

BTW, sorry I didn’t ping you, the old memory is going down the rabbit hole........


61 posted on 01/08/2010 1:24:38 PM PST by Judith Anne (Drill in the USA and offshore USA!! Drill NOW and build more refineries!!!! Defund the EPA!)
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To: reaganaut; Judith Anne; Mad Dawg
Sometimes posts (in my experience) are directed at the lurkers rather than the posters themselves.

When someone has been saying the same thing literally for years and continues to say it no matter how many times it has been proven false it becomes clear that THEY are directing it at the lurkers and it is necessary for us to respond in kind.

If I was a lurker and my only knowledge of the Catholic Church came from unanswered statements by non-Catholics here, I would believe that the Catholic Church was the most evil institution in history and that its members were Satanic cult members. Such posts MUST be rebutted.

62 posted on 01/08/2010 1:28:50 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Religion Moderator; Lurker

Here’s a thought: “lurker,” like “all,” should be (if it isn’t already) an allowed entry in the “To:” field.

One could respond to post #xyz but address one’s response to Lurker (or lurkers). It would at least be honest.


63 posted on 01/08/2010 1:35:02 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Lurker; Religion Moderator

I know Lurker, Lurker is a friend of mine, and you sir, are no...wait—never mind.

Good idea. How about “lurkers” if that’s not a name?


64 posted on 01/08/2010 1:38:41 PM PST by Judith Anne (Drill in the USA and offshore USA!! Drill NOW and build more refineries!!!! Defund the EPA!)
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To: wagglebee

Excellent point.


65 posted on 01/08/2010 1:39:34 PM PST by Judith Anne (Drill in the USA and offshore USA!! Drill NOW and build more refineries!!!! Defund the EPA!)
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To: Mad Dawg; Religion Moderator; Judith Anne

RM here is a question for you:

If FReeper [___________] makes a post that says, “Catholics sacrifice live alligators and drink their blood.”

Would it be acceptable to respond to that post but not ping the original poster? More specifically, could we say that the post is a lie but not say that the poster is a liar?


66 posted on 01/08/2010 1:42:37 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I think most people who want to continue with the defense of the faith agree with your position, for the same reason you give.


67 posted on 01/08/2010 1:43:22 PM PST by Judith Anne (Drill in the USA and offshore USA!! Drill NOW and build more refineries!!!! Defund the EPA!)
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To: wagglebee

We could always demand proof.


68 posted on 01/08/2010 1:44:56 PM PST by Judith Anne (Drill in the USA and offshore USA!! Drill NOW and build more refineries!!!! Defund the EPA!)
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To: wagglebee; judithann; Mad Dawg

If I was a lurker and my only knowledge of the Catholic Church came from unanswered statements by non-Catholics here, I would believe that the Catholic Church was the most evil institution in history and that its members were Satanic cult members. Such posts MUST be rebutted.

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I agree completely. Perhaps I should have a little clearer.

Let’s say “A” is an anti-Catholic (not using actual freeper names b/c then I would have to ping), “B” is a lurker, and “C” is a Catholic.

A and C are debating. B is lurking. A puts out info, C defends. C KNOWS he is not going to change A’s mind (having been over it again and again), yet he responds for the beneifit of B.

I was in no way saying that there should be no rebuttal. I was saying that sometimes we post information (and rebuttals) in the hopes that the lurkers will learn, knowing that some people (the “A’s”) will probably never see the light.


69 posted on 01/08/2010 2:08:54 PM PST by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Mad Dawg; wagglebee

What I usually do is make a statement in the post along the lines of “For the benefit of the lurkers”.


70 posted on 01/08/2010 2:10:53 PM PST by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Mad Dawg
You would think if soldiers fighting in the trenches in World War I could have a Christmas truce, FR Religion forum posters could manage Christmas and Easter truces.

Of course, not everyone observes Christmas or Easter.

71 posted on 01/08/2010 2:17:16 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Judith Anne

Could you give me a link to the rules of the religion forum if there is one? I’ve been told conflicting things in that regard.


72 posted on 01/08/2010 2:38:51 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

Could you give me a link to the rules of the religion forum if there is one?

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Here ya go: :)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1774184/posts


73 posted on 01/08/2010 2:45:59 PM PST by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: wagglebee
More specifically, could we say that the post is a lie but not say that the poster is a liar?

It is better to say the statement is false, wrong, misleading, etc. - the word "lie" attributes the intent to deceive.

Also, it is considered polite to ping a Freeper you are quoting. However, in some cases (e.g. the poster asked not to be ping) it is a way to respond without confrontation.

74 posted on 01/08/2010 3:07:26 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Judith Anne
The name Lurkers is available but it will not accept your post ("could not find anybody named 'Lurkers'") Someone would have to register with that name to reserve it.

You can however use "everyone" or "all".

75 posted on 01/08/2010 3:11:40 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Judith Anne
Judith Anne, someone gave me a link explaining the religion rules, which pretty much states mayhem is fine in the open religion forum, which is anything that doesn't bear a "Catholic Caucus" header. Now I'm "in the know."

I agree with you that avoidance is best because once you see a strongly phrased untruth about the faith, you want to immediately jump on it and explain, and of course, you usually get the most a*inine response back. So, I'm in. I'll stay away from the religion threads that are not Catholic in nature. I do a lot more good for others by praying for them anyway.
76 posted on 01/08/2010 3:17:57 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: Judith Anne
Yes, it is our duty to correct misconceptions - even those of us who've had to correct world-renowned conductors (not on this forum) when they state errors. We just cannot let errors go uncorrected, particularly when it is blatant or based in ignorance.

That being said - I have deliberately taken breaks from the religion forum when the commentary from those who are not Catholic is particularly caustic and when normally even-keeled Catholics respond in kind. Confrontation is not really my thing. It helps to keep this forum from really getting to me as the same arguments seem to pop up and the same corrections are made over and over again.

Through the back and forth discussions and corrections, I have learned a lot and have learned what sources to trust and which ones aren't worth the time. That's been very valuable. Keeping things balanced, though, can be quite a challenge.

77 posted on 01/08/2010 3:20:40 PM PST by Desdemona (These are the times that try men's souls. - Remember Christmas 1776)
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To: Judith Anne; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; ...

Agreed! There is no reason why Catholics should not know their faith. In fact, it is right here at FreeRepublic, after witnessing an attack on the Catholic Church by a freeper ignorant of our faith, that I took up the mantle and began to study on my own. Sometimes, it takes just this type of encouragement for anyone of us to learn Catholic apologetics. Freepmail me if you need some resources.


78 posted on 01/08/2010 3:51:05 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: marshmallow
"I love the smell of incense in the morning!

It smells like . . . . Victory!"


79 posted on 01/08/2010 4:11:53 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Desdemona

That wasn’t Robert Shaw, was it?


80 posted on 01/08/2010 4:12:42 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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