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To: HarleyD; narses

John Knox came along in the sixteenth century. If it hadn’t been for the Catholic Church, he wouldn’t have HAD a Bible. Nor would Martin Luther have had one earlier. It is the Catholic Church that goes back through history to the beginning. The Protestant Churches didn’t come along until 1500 years later.

Moreover, it was the Catholic Church that Christianized Europe and spread the Bible among all the peoples of Europe, beginning in Ireland after the fall of Rome, then to England, and then back to France and Germany in time to teach Charlemaigne and his warriors what Christian learning was.

If the early Church Fathers had buried their Bibles in the ground and the Church had disappeared around the time of Constantine, not to pop up again until the time of Martin Luther—where would it have come from? Who would have told them where to dig up their Bibles? And why would they have wanted to, anyway, if they were all pagans?

The early Reformers tended to argue that the Church had been completely corrupted and essentially disappeared from the earth for a thousand years. Then how did Martin Luther get his education? Who gave him his Bible? Who taught him Latin? Who told him which books were in the Bible?

In other words, Protestants may believe that their religion is better than Catholicism. And Catholics may believe the reverse. But without Catholicism, there could have been no Protestantism.

An interesting thought experiment, which these Protestant claims to exclusivity seem to me to raise.

Could God have taken a pagan Martin Luther, thrown him down from his horse, and inspired him with all the teachings of the Bible? Of course. With God, all things were possible. But I don’t notice Luther claiming that any such thing happened.


388 posted on 01/07/2010 6:57:00 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero; narses

The Catholic Church today is not the same as the Catholic Church of John Knox or Luther’s time. It CERTAINLY is not the Catholic Church of Augustine’s time.

It’s like saying a Democrat today is the same as in JFK’s time. It’s simply wrong.


392 posted on 01/08/2010 2:14:01 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: Cicero; HarleyD
John Knox came along in the sixteenth century. If it hadn’t been for the Catholic Church, he wouldn’t have HAD a Bible. Nor would Martin Luther have had one earlier. It is the Catholic Church that goes back through history to the beginning. The Protestant Churches didn’t come along until 1500 years later....

...If the early Church Fathers had buried their Bibles in the ground and the Church had disappeared around the time of Constantine, not to pop up again until the time of Martin Luther—where would it have come from? Who would have told them where to dig up their Bibles?

How could Martin Luther (or ANYONE that matter) have known exactly what constituted the Bible since the Trent decree on the Holy Scriptures was not published until April 8, 1546?

Cordially,

406 posted on 01/09/2010 4:13:28 AM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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