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To: narses
What is taught in the book, De Transitu Virginia Mariae Liber?

Fact: The De Transitu Virginia Mariae Liber, written in the 3rd or 4th century, is the ORIGIN of the teaching of the assumption of Mary.

Fact: No one within the church taught this doctrine for six centuries, and those who did first teach it within the church borrowed it directly from the book condemned by Pope Gelasius as heretical. As a fact of history, the Transitus writings are THE SOURCE of the teaching of the assumption of Mary.

Fact: AT THE TIME this Transitus teaching originated, the Church regarded it as heresy. Liber qui apellatur Transitus, id est Assumptio Sanctae Mariae, Apocryphus (the Transitus writing of the Assumption of Mary) and its author (in addition to the other writings listed and their authors, AND THEIR TEACHINGS, and THE ADHERENTS TO THOSE TEACHINGS) were condemned by Pope Gelasius as heretical. And lest you doubt the attribution of the decree to Pope Gelasius, the entire decree and its condemnation was reaffirmed by Pope Hormisdas.

A DICTIONARY OF CHRISTIAN ANTIQUITIES. ,
Author:
Smith, William, Sir, 1813-1893
Volume: 2
Subject: Christian antiquities -- Dictionaries; Ecclesiastical history -- Dictionaries
Publisher: Boston, Little
Possible copyright status: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT
Language: English
Call number: AFA-0217
Digitizing sponsor: MSN
Book contributor: Robarts - University of Toronto
Collection: toronto

pp 1142, 1143:

In the 3rd or 4th century there was composed a book, embodying the Gnostic and Collyridian traditions as to the death of St. Mary, called De Transitu Virginia Mariae Liber. The book exists still, and may be found in the Dibliotheca Patrum Maxima (torn. ii. pt. ii. p. 212). The legend contained in it relates how St. Mary, after her Son's death, went and lived at Bethlehem for twenty-one years, after which time an angel appeared to her, and told her that her soul should be taken from her body. So she was wafted on a cloud to Jerusalem, and the apostles, who had been miraculously gathered together, carried her to Gethsemane, and there her soul was taken up into Paradise by Gabriel. Then the apostles bore her body to the Valley of Jehosha- phat, and laid it in a new tomb ; and suddenly by the side of the tomb appeared her son Christ, who raised up her body lest it should see cor- ruption, and reuniting it with her soul, which Michael brought back from Paradise, had her conveyed by angels to heaven.

It will be seen that the L&er de Transitu Mariae contains already the whole of the story of the Assumption. But down to the end of the 5th century this story was regarded by the church as a Gnostic or Collyridian fable, and the Liber de Transitu was condemned as heretical by the Decretum de Libris Canonicis Ecclesias- ticis et Apocryphis, attributed to pope Gelasius, A.D. 494. How then did it pass across the borders and establish itself within the church, so as to have a festival appointed to commemo- rate it ? In the following manner :

In the sixth century a great change passed over the sentiments and the theology of the church in reference to the 0eoT(taos an unin- tended but very noticeable result of the Nes- torian controversies, which in maintaining the true doctrine of the Incarnation incidentally gave a strong impulse to what became the Wor- ship of St. Mary. In consequence of this change of sentiment, during the 6th and 7th centuries (or later), (1) the Liber de Transitu, though classed by Gelasius with the known productions

d Charles the Great's Cupitulare, after recounting the festivals, says : "l)e Assumptions Sanctae Mariae intei- rogandum relinquimus." The treatise De Assumptitrne II. )/. Virginis, attributed to St. Augustine and bound up with his works (torn. vi. p. 1142, ed. Migne) has been thought to have been a reply by one of Charles's bishops to his inquiry on the subject, as it begins, " Ad interro- gata de Virginis et. Matris Domini resolution temporal! et assumptione ptrenni quid intelligam responsurus."

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of heretics came to be attributed by one (" otio- sus quispiam," says Baroiiius) to Melito, an orthodox bishop of Sardis, in the 2nd century, and by another to St. John the Apostle ; (2) a letter suggesting the possibility of the Assump- tion was written and attributed to St. Jerome (ad Paulam et Eustochium de Assumptions B. Virginis, Op. torn. v. p. 82, Paris, 1706); (3) a treatise to prove it not impossible was composed and attributed to St. Augustine (Op. torn. vi. p. 1142, ed. Migne) ; (4) two sermons supporting the belief were written and attributed to St. Athanasius (Op. torn. ii. pp. 393, 416, ed. Ben. Paris, 1698) ; (5) an insertion was made in Eusebius's Chronicle that " in the year 48 Mary the Virgin was taken up into heaven, as some wrote that they had had it revealed to them." Thus the authority of the names of St. John, of Melito, of Athanasius, of Eusebius, of Augus- tine, of Jerome, was obtained for the belief by a series of forgeries readily accepted because in accordance with the sentiment of the day, and the Gnostic legend was attributed to orthodox writers who did not entertain it. But this was not all, for there is the clearest evidence (1) that no one within the church taught it for six centuries, and (2) that those who did first teach it within the church borrowed it directly from the book condemned by pope Gelasius as here- tical. For the first person within the church who held and taught it was Juvenal, bishop of Jerusalem (if a homily attributed to John Damascene containing a quotation from " the Euthymiac history" (Op. torn. ii. p. 880, Venice, 1748) be for the moment considered genuine), who (according to this statement) on Marcian and Pulcheria's sending to him for information as to St. Mary's sepulchre, replied to them by narrating a shortened version of the De Transitu legend as " a most ancient and true tradition." The second person within the church who taught it (or the first, if the homily attributed to John Damascene relating the above tale of Juvenal be spurious, as it almost certainly is) was Gre- gory of Tours, A.D. 590, who in his De Gloria Martyrum (lib. i. c. 4) writes as follows : " When Blessed Mary had finished the course of this life, and was now called away from the world, all the apostles were gathered together at her house from all parts of the world; and when they heard that she was to be taken away they watched with her, and behold ! the Lord Jesus came with his angels, and taking her soul, gave it to Michael the Archangel, and went away. In the morning the apostles took up her body with the bed, and placed it in a monument, and watched it, waiting for the coming of the Lord. And behold ! a second time the Lord appeared, and commanded her to be taken up and carried in a cloud to Paradise, where now, having re- sumed her soul, she enjoys the never-ending blessings of eternity, rejoicing with her elect." The Abbe' Migne points out in a note that " what Gregory here relates of the death of the Blessed Virgin and its attendant circumstances he un- doubtedly drew (procul dxbio hausit) from the Pseudo-Melito's Liber de Transitu B. Mariae, which is classed among apocryphal books bj pope Gelasius." He adds that this account, with the circumstances related by Gregory, were soon after introduced into the Gallican Liturgy. It is very seldom that we are able to

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trace a tale from its birth onwards so clearly and unmistakably as this. It is demonstrable that the Gnostic legend passed into the church through Gregory or Juvenal, and so became an ac- cepted tradition within it. The next writers on the subject are Andrew of Crete, who is sup- posed to have lived about A.D. 635 ; Hildephonsus of Toledo, A.D. 657 ; and John of Damascus, who lived about A.D. 730, if writings attributed to any of them are genuine, which is quite doubt- ful. Pope Benedict XIV. says naively that " the most ancient Fathers of the Primitive Church are silent as to the bodily assumption of the Blessed Virgin, but the fathers of the middle and latest ages, both Greeks and Latins, relate it in the distinctest terms " (De Fest. Assumpt. apud Migne, Thcol. Curs. Compl. torn. xxvi. p. 144, Paris, 1842). It was under the shadow of the names of Gregory of Tours and of these " fathers of the middle and latest ages, Greek and Latin," that the De Transitu legend became accepted as a catholic tradition (see Alban Butler, Lives of the Saints, Aug. 15).

The history, therefore, of the belief which this festival was instituted to commemorate is as follows : It was first taught in the 3rd or 4th century as part of the Gnostic legend of St. Mary's death, and it was regarded by the church as a Gnostic and Collyridian fable down to the end of the 5th century. It was brought into the church in the 6th, 7th, and 8th centuries, partly by a series of successful forgeries, partly by the adoption of the Gnostic legend on the part of accredited teachers, writers, and liturgists. And a festival in commemoration of the event, thus come to be believed, was instituted in the East at the beginning of the 7th, in the West at the beginning of the 9th century."
[emphasis mine]

The decree of Pope Gelasius Decretum de Libris Canonicis Ecclesiasticis et Apocryphis lists Liber qui apellatur Transitus, id est Assumptio Sanctae Mariae, Apocryphus (the Transitus writing of the assumption of Mary) along with other listed apocryphal writings as heretical and that their authors and teachings and all who adhere to them are condemned and placed under eternal anathema which is indissoluble

Haec et omnia his similia, quae Simon Magus, Nicolaus, Cerinthus, Marcion, Basilides, Ebion, Paulus etiam Samosatenus, Photinus, et Bonosus, et qui simili errore defecerunt; Montanus quoque cum suis obscenissimis sequacibus, Apollinaris, Valentinus, sive Manichaeus, Faustus, Africanus, Sabellius, Arius, Macedonius, Eunomius, Novatus, Sabbatius, Callistus, Donatus, Eustathius, Jovinianus, Pelagius, Julianus Eclanensis, Coelestinus [al. Coelestius], Maximinus [al. Maximianus], Priscillianus ab Hispania, Nestorius Constantinopolitanus, Maximus Unicus, Lampetius [al. Lapicius], Dioscorus, Eutyches, Petrus, et alius Petrus, e quibus unus Alexandriam, alius Antiochiam maculavit; Acacius Constantinopolitanus cum consortibus [al. sociis] suis; nec non et omnes haeresiarchae, eorumque discipuli, sive schismatici, docuerunt vel conscripserunt quorum nomina minime retinentur; non solum repudiata, verum etiam ab omni Romana catholica et apostolica Ecclesia eliminata, atque cum suis auctoribus auctorumque sequacibus sub anathematis indissolubili vinculo in aeternum confitemur esse damnata.

This entire decree and its condemnation was reaffirmed by Pope Hormisdas around A.D. 520.

Cordially,

238 posted on 01/04/2010 10:24:35 PM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Diamond

Don’t you have to show (or did you and I missed it) that the book (brief and exotic - I just skimmed “The Assumption of the Virgin — Latin Narrative of Pseudo-Melito”) was condemend BECAUSE of its teaching on the assumption? There’s plenty to condemn in that book even if one believes the Assumption.


251 posted on 01/05/2010 6:40:07 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Diamond
The truth is that the Assumption is based on sources other than de Transitu, and also earlier than de Transitu (both Wikipedia and the Catholic Encyclopedia will tell you that), and there is no evidence at all that de Transitu was condemned because it taught the Assumption of Mary.

de Transitu may be the earliest source for the Assumption in Latin, but what difference should that make?

As you probably know, it only takes one heresy for a document to be condemned. Scanning quickly through de Transitu (at the link), I can spot at least two.

One is that the document has Jesus saying that Mary is worthy to be assumed bodily because she never had sexual intercourse. That's absolutely false and heretical.

Another is that the document speaks of Mary's soul and body being taken to heaven separately, while Mary's body is animated and able to speak while her soul is separated from it. That's not possible either.

So, yes, de Transitu appears to have been justly condemned, not because it taught the Assumption, but in spite of it.

259 posted on 01/05/2010 8:37:29 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Diamond

Nothing Gnostic about the doctrine of the Assumption. In fact, quite the contrary. Gnostics taught, basically, that spirit is good and matter is evil. So why on earth would a doctrine of the Assumption be pushed by Gnostics?

Gnostics tended also to dismiss the idea of the humanity of Jesus, and stumbled over the idea of transubstantiation in the Sacrament of the Eucharist. They also resisted the idea of a bodily resurrection at the Last Judgment, as promised by Jesus.

The Assumption was not declared a dogma until very late, but its history goes back a long way.

In the eighth century, the Life of one of the Anglo-Saxon missionaries to Germany (in a book of that name published by Sheed & Ward) describes making a pilgrimage to Jerusalem and the Holy Land, where among other things the saint in question not only visited the places of Jesus’ Birth, Last Supper, Crucifixion, burial, and Resurrection, but also the cave where Mary was said to have been laid before she was assumed into Heaven. Mary’s Assumption was evidently already an old tradition in the Holy Land during that period, one of many oral traditions.

The Assumption was NEVER condemned officially. That simply is not true. It may be true that a condemned heretic mentioned it, but that proves nothing. And clearly no Protestant can say that bodily assumption is impossible to God, since several of the ancient Hebrew prophets were taken up and assumed into Heaven, according to the Bible.

The assumption was an early oral tradition. If heretics picked up the idea and mentioned it, that would hardly indicate that it was untrue. Heretics played with other Christian ideas all the time, and not all that they said was necessarily false—although they were not to be trusted because of their errors and distortions, and so were best avoided. But a man could be a heretic in one thing, or many, yet not necessarily in all.


265 posted on 01/05/2010 9:26:05 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Diamond; narses

It appears that the Gelasian Decree was not written by Pope Gelasius I:

“Decretum Gelasianum

The most famous of pseudo-Gelasian works is the list “de libris recipiendis et non recipiendis” (”books to be received and not to be received”), the so-called Decretum Gelasianum, supposed to be connected to the pressures for orthodoxy during the pontificate of Gelasius and intended to be read as a decretal by Gelasius on the canonical and apocryphal books, which internal evidence reveals to be of later date. Thus the fixing of the canon of scripture has traditionally been attributed to Gelasius[6] and a non-historical Roman synod of 494 has been invented as the supposed occasion.”

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gelasius_I)

Thus, there appears to be no problem with Papal Infallibility in this matter.

The Catholic Encyclopedia article mentions nothing about the Assumption once being considered heretical, nor does the excellent Wikipedia article on this subject (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary).

Also, unless Pope Gelasius was speaking ex cathedra, the doctrine of papal infallibility does not come into play. Sort of like Pope Benedict’s current pronouncement about global climate change - his opinion, that’s all.

Here’s to hopes that God smiles on the Republic this coming year.


302 posted on 01/05/2010 1:20:04 PM PST by paterfamilias
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To: Diamond

Your claims lie tattered and debunked. Next?


321 posted on 01/05/2010 6:47:59 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: Diamond; narses
"Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary" Regarding the day, year, and manner of Our Lady's death, nothing certain is known. Epiphanius (d. 403) acknowledged that he knew nothing definite about it (Hær., lxxix, 11). The dates assigned for it vary between three and fifteen years after Christ's Ascension. Two cities claim to be the place of her departure: Jerusalem and Ephesus; common consent favours Jerusalem, where her tomb is shown [Nirschl, Haus und Grab der allerh. Jungfrau (Mainz, 1900); Mommert, Die Dormitio (Leipzig, 1900)]; but in 1906, J. Niesen brought forth new arguments in favor of Ephesus (Panagia Kapuli, Dülmen, 1906). The first six centuries did not know of the tomb of Mary at Jerusalem. The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise "De Obitu S. Dominæ", bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the book "De Transitu Virginis", falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite. If we consult genuine writings in the East, it is mentioned in the sermons of St. Andrew of Crete, St. John Damascene, St. Modestus of Jerusalem and others. In the West, St. Gregory of Tours (De gloria mart., I, iv) mentions it first. The sermons of St. Jerome and St. Augustine for this feast, however, are spurious. St. John of Damascus (P. G., I, 96) thus formulates the tradition of the Church of Jerusalem: St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, at the Council of Chalcedon (451), made known to the Emperor Marcian and Pulcheria, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles, but that her tomb, when opened, upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to heaven." Today, the belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is universal in the East and in the West; according to Benedict XIV (De Festis B.V.M., I, viii, 18) it is a probable opinion, which to deny were impious and blasphemous. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume II, pp. 6-7 Imprimatur. +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York http://www.traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Holy_Mary/index.html __________ Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, FEAST OF THE, 15, Aug.; also called in old liturgical books PAUSATIO, NATIVITAS (for heaven), MORS, DEPOSITIO, DORMITIO S. MARIÆ. This feast has a double object: (1) the happy departure of Mary from this life; (2) the assumption of her body into heaven. It is the principal feast of the Blessed Virgin. Regarding the origin of the feast we are also uncertain. It is more probably the anniversary of the dedication of some church than the actual anniversary of Our Lady's death. That it originated at the time of the Council of Ephesus, or that St. Damasus introduced it in Rome is only a hypothesis. According to the life of St. Theodosius (d. 529) it was celebrated in Palestine before the year 500, probably in August (Baeumer, Brevier, 185). In Egypt and Arabia, however, it was kept in January, and since the monks of Gaul adopted many usages from the Egyptian monks (Baeumer, Brevier, 163), we find this feast in Gaul in the sixth century, in January [mediante mense undecimo (Greg. Turon., De gloria mart., I, ix)]. The Gallican Liturgy has it on the 18th of January, under the title: Depositio, Assumptio, or Festivitas S. Mariæ (cf. the notes of Mabillon on the Gallican Liturgy, P. L., LXXII, 180). This custom was kept up in the Gallican Church to the time of the introduction of the Roman rite. In the Greek Church, it seems, some kept this feast in January, with the monks of Egypt; others in August, with those of Palestine; wherefore the Emperor Maurice (d. 602), if the account of the "Liber Pontificalis" (II, 508) be correct, set the feast for the Greek Empire on 15 August. In Rome (Batiffol, Brev. Rom., 134) the oldest and only feast of Our Lady was 1 January, the octave of Christ's birth. It was celebrated first at Santa Maria Maggiore, later at Santa Maria ad Martyres. The other feasts are of Byzantine origin. Duchesne thinks (Origines du culte chr., 262) that before the seventh century no other feast was kept at Rome, and that consequently the feast of the Assumption, found in the sacramentaries of Gelasius and Gregory, is a spurious addition made in the eighth or seventh century. Probst, however (Sacramentarien, 264 sqq.), brings forth good arguments to prove that the Mass of the Blessed Virgin Mary, found on the 15th of August in the Gelasianum, is genuine , since it does not mention the corporeal assumption of Mary; that, consequently, the feast was celebrated in the church of Santa Maria Maggiore at Rome at least in the sixth century. He proves, furthermore, that the Mass of the Gregorian Sacramentary, such as we have it, is of Gallican origin (since the belief in the bodily assumption of Mary, under the influence of the apocryphal writings, is older in Gaul than in Rome), and that it supplanted the old Gelasian Mass. At the time of Sergius I (700) this feast was one of the principal festivities in Rome; the procession started from the church of St. Hadrian. It was always a double of the first class and a Holy Day of obligation. The octave was added in 847 by Leo IV; in Germany this octave was not observed in several dioceses up to the time of the Reformation. The Church of Milan has not accepted it up to this day (Ordo Ambros., 1906). The octave is privileged in the dioceses of the provinces of Sienna, Fermo, Michoacan, etc. The Greek Church continues this feast to 23 August, inclusive, and in some monasteries of Mount Athos it is protracted to 29 August (Menaea Graeca, Venice, 1880), or was, at least, formerly. In the dioceses of Bavaria a thirtieth day (a species of month's mind) of the Assumption was celebrated during the Middle Ages, 13 Sept., with the Office of the Assumption (double); To-day, only the Diocese of Augsburg has retained this old custom. Some of the Bavarian dioceses and those of Brandenburg, Mainz, Frankfort, etc., on 23 Sept. kept the feast of the "Second Assumption", or the "Fortieth Day of the Assumption" (double) believing, according to the revelations of St. Elizabeth of Schönau (d. 1165) and of St. Bertrand, O.C. (d. 1170), that the B.V. Mary was taken up to heaven on the fortieth day after her death (Grotefend, Calendaria 2, 136). The Brigittines kept the feast of the "Glorification of Mary" (double) 30 Aug., since St. Brigitta of Sweden says (Revel., VI, l) that Mary was taken into heaven fifteen days after her departure (Colvenerius, Cal. Mar., 30 Aug.). In Central America a special feast of the Coronation of Mary in heaven (double major) is celebrated 18 Aug. The city of Gerace in Calabria keeps three successive days with the rite of a double first class, commemorating: 15th of August, the death of Mary; 16th of August, her Coronation. At Piazza, in Sicily, there is a commemoration of the Assumption of Mary (double second class) the 20th of February, the anniversary of the earthquake of 1743. A similar feast (double major with octave) is kept at Martano, Diocese of Otranto, in Apulia, 19th of November. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume II, pp. 6-7 Imprimatur. +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York http://www.traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Holy_Mary/Feast_of_the_Assumption.html
322 posted on 01/05/2010 6:56:42 PM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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