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The Orthodox Presbyterian Church ^

Posted on 01/03/2010 10:30:30 PM PST by Gamecock

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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Does your denomination claim that they have the absolute truth, that those are UNCHANGEABLE doctrines that all members must believe? This is what the Catholic Church teaches of it’s DOCTRINES, they are unchangeable absolute truths that a Catholic must believe or he is not a Catholic.

Here is an example of an unchangeable dogmatic statement by the Catholic Church, notice the language, very clear, either a Catholic believes these two doctrines of The Trinity and the Incarnation (Jesus Christ is God) or they are condened to perdition.

Athanasian Creed (4th century A.D):
“Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith. Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the Catholic Faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity ....
Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting Salvation, that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man. ....
This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved”.


141 posted on 01/04/2010 11:52:13 AM PST by verdadjusticia
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

May a layperson baptize in emergency?


142 posted on 01/04/2010 11:54:01 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I have some contact with Dr Steve through email.

No idea about OP.


143 posted on 01/04/2010 11:54:31 AM PST by Gamecock (We always have reasons for doing what we do.)
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To: YHAOS

I agree with you on both points.


144 posted on 01/04/2010 11:54:34 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: Gamecock
The PC(USA) is liberal. The OPC, who many seem to take great joy in bashing on this here thread, is conservative.

But we were told upthread that speaking of the Presbyterian Church as fractured is some kind of insult.

145 posted on 01/04/2010 11:54:39 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

thinking ... thinking ....

Thanks for your answer. Maybe I’ll have something good to say, maybe not.


146 posted on 01/04/2010 11:56:07 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Petronski
But we were told upthread that speaking of the Presbyterian Church as fractured is some kind of insult.

It gets confusing, doesn't it?

147 posted on 01/04/2010 11:56:11 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Dr. Eckleburg WROTE:
That is a Romanist superstition which gives the magisterium the power which rightly belongs to the Holy Spirit.

verdadajusticia ANSWERS:
The dogmas of the Catholic Church are the Holy Spirit speaking through the magisterium. If they were “superstitions”, lies, they would have not remained unchanged, and would have morphed into something else, EXACTLY what has happened to EVERY Protestant teaching. A “religion” that can't even decide definitely if Jesus Christ is God. AMAZING!

148 posted on 01/04/2010 12:11:22 PM PST by verdadjusticia
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To: verdadjusticia
The Athanasian Creed is correct.

Only when (and if) the Roman Catholic church ever gets around to believing it in practice and doctrine will the RCC be assured it is a part of the Christian church.

Until then, the RCC's blaspemous superstitions of calling the members of their priestcraft "another Christ" and Mary their "mediatrix" and "co-redeemer" will keep it in the dark and floundering.

149 posted on 01/04/2010 12:13:37 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Until then, the RCC's blaspemous superstitions of calling the members of their priestcraft "another Christ" and Mary their "mediatrix" and "co-redeemer" will keep it in the dark and floundering.

Nope. Still not describing the Catholic Church.

Praise God.

150 posted on 01/04/2010 12:19:04 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Gamecock

Pick your flavor.


151 posted on 01/04/2010 12:21:33 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: Mad Dawg; Gamecock; esquirette; AnalogReigns
May a layperson baptize in emergency?

Your question should be addressed to a Roman Catholic.

Presbyterians believe the God who created that person who may be dying "in emergency" already knows the heart of that dying person since it was God's gift in the first place.

As a nurse, my mother baptized several dying infants, but only at the request of the child's grieving Roman Catholic parents.

A better security for our children is for those children to have two believing parents who know that everything comes from the Lord for their benefit, one way or another, by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call." -- Acts 2:39

152 posted on 01/04/2010 12:30:24 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: piytar
"But Catholic authority requires Catholic priests to take vows of celibacy,"

Most Protestants and too many Catholics think that celibate means chaste, it doesn't. I simply means that priests take a vow to not marry so that their number one priority is to the Church and its flock, not to their personal family. Sexual activity out of wedlock is a sin for priests no different than for any other Catholic.

153 posted on 01/04/2010 12:30:54 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Petronski

Care to save me from reviewing 144 posts an tell me where that is?


154 posted on 01/04/2010 12:36:03 PM PST by Gamecock (We always have reasons for doing what we do.)
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To: Petronski
I haven't insisted anyone call me Catholic. I have condemned them for refusing to do so.

ROTFLOL.

Your "condemnation" is counted for joy by all Bible-believing Christians who know there is only one God and one mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ.

God willing, the RCC will one day get around to understanding that fact which it denies daily in its elaborate and superstitious rituals.

155 posted on 01/04/2010 12:37:56 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: verdadjusticia; Gamecock
The dogmas of the Catholic Church are the Holy Spirit speaking through the magisterium.

lol. That lie has no basis in Scripture and actually permits the magisterium to usurp the role of the Holy Spirit in men's lives and faith.

No small error.

A "religion" that can't even decide definitely if Jesus Christ is God.

Not sure what you're talking about here. All Protestants, and certainly all Presbyterians, by definition, are Trinitarian Christians.

As expected, most RCs know nothing about other Christian faiths. They lap up the errors of Rome and falsely feel sated, not realizing the hunger they experience 20 minutes later is neither necessary nor Christian.

156 posted on 01/04/2010 12:48:22 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
After you posted something from some official document, I asked:
May a layperson baptize in emergency?
because the official document said Baptism was to be done by an ordained person.

You answered:
Your question should be addressed to a Roman Catholic.

Why? I already know what our teaching is. I wondered what the teaching of your outfit was, as I say, because the source you quoted said it was reserved to an ordained person.

157 posted on 01/04/2010 12:54:45 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I've already corrected that line, so I can count on you basing an argument on it: you base all of your arguments on falsehoods.

...there is only one God and one mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ.

Correct. That's why you never ask anyone to pray for you, nor do you pray for anyone, lest you usurp Christ's role...as you define it.

As for the RCC, I haven't anything to do with any Ridiculous Calvinist Cult and their elaborate and superstitious rituals.

I'm a Catholic.

158 posted on 01/04/2010 1:13:55 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...the Magisterium to usurp the role of the Holy Spirit in men's lives and faith.

Quite the opposite: the Magisterium serves the Holy Spirit, just as Christ promised.

159 posted on 01/04/2010 1:15:25 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
As a nurse, my mother baptized several dying infants, but only at the request of the child's grieving Roman Catholic parents....

Suuuuuuuuuuuure.

160 posted on 01/04/2010 1:16:29 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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