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To: kosta50; boatbums

I understand the desire to turn my argument into something easier to dispute.

The facts are that boatbums professed a belief that is not specifically spelled out in Scripture and I am reminding boatbums that Catholics are frequently ridiculed for doing that- with far more proof than boatbums has. You made my point for me when you said the Bible HINTS Christ’s body was glorified. I guess it’s suddenly okay for Protestants to decide to believe in things HINTED about in the Bible, but Catholics are silly for believing Jesus when he said, specifically, “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life within you. He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life.” (John 6:54) No hinting there at all. He was direct, specific, and clear. He let many followers walk away over this statement. It was a bald-faced proclamation of God’s hard Truth. THAT’s perfect and unchanging.

Unless, of course, you’re reading the revised version of the Bible that men dared to cut passages out of— but that’s your choice.

Protestants make arbitrary choices about what to believe in the Bible and what not to believe. Catholics believe what Jesus said. Literally. I cannot understand the disconnect in Protestant thought. They claim to love the Word of God above all else— and then choose to ignore and ridicule Christ’s own words, faithfully recorded by the apostle Jesus loved most.

Inconsistent, at best. I am so happy to be Catholic.


85 posted on 01/06/2010 9:35:13 PM PST by Melian ("Here's the moral of the story: Catholic witness has a cost." ~Archbishop Charles Chaput)
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To: Melian; kosta50

I think you are building a false construct comparing what I personally believe about the nail marks on Jesus’ body, which IS what you specifically asked me about. I think the scripture is very clear that Jesus was in his glorified state (he did suddenly appear to them, walked through a wall?). He, on several occasions encouraged them to look at and feel the wounds AFTER the resurrection. So, no, I don’t think I am giving myself a “bye” on this point while I “chastise” Catholics about the Eucharist or other doctrines. I do not ridicule or call them “silly” for believing what they do because I know, as a former Catholic, that we are to accept what we are taught, without questioning.

I think you may have problems with generalized comments like “Protestants make arbitrary choices” and “Catholics believe what Jesus said.” Because we both know these pat statements are not always true.

We could get into the difference between what main-stream Protestants and Catholics believe about the doctrine of Communion/Eucharist/The Lord’s Supper, but I’m pretty sure you wont be swayed from what you are comfortable believing and I wont be either. This topic has been bashed about many times on the RF. I see no need to go there again since the main topic of this post is concerning the titles of Mary. I assure you the inconsistency you think you see is not really there. I have never and will never ridicule nor ignore the word of God. It is the basis of faith and truth.

Be happy, but also know what you believe and why you believe it. Peace to you in the new year!


86 posted on 01/06/2010 10:17:47 PM PST by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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