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To: jazzdawg; vladimir998; kosta50; annalex; NYer; saullysallu
You know, this Protestant canard that those of us in The Church "worship" Mary, the Most Holy Theotokos, really ought to stop.

jd, we had an Ecumenical Council in the late 8th century dealing with the Iconoclast controversy which had devastated The Church for decades before. After declaring iconoclasm heresy, the Holy Fathers of the Council proclaimed:

""We define that the holy icons, whether in color, mosaic, or some other material, should be exhibited in the holy churches of God, on the sacred vessels and liturgical vestments, on the walls, furnishings, and in houses and along the roads, namely the icons of our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, that of our Lady the Theotokos, those of the venerable angels and those of all saintly people. Whenever these representations are contemplated, they will cause those who look at them to commemorate and love their prototype. We define also that they should be kissed and that they are an object of veneration and honor ( timitiki proskynisis ), but not of real worship ( latreia ), which is reserved for Him Who is the subject of our faith and is proper for the divine nature, ... which is in effect transmitted to the prototype; he who venerates the icon, venerated in it the reality for which it stands."

jd, there is no way that The Church can make it any clearer. Worship (latreia) is reserved for God, the saints and the Most Holy Theotokos we venerate and honor. There is a universe of difference between latreia on the one hand and timitiki and proskynisis on the other...just as there is in English.

66 posted on 01/03/2010 3:02:34 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
there is no way that The Church can make it any clearer. Worship (latreia) is reserved for God, the saints and the Most Holy Theotokos we venerate and honor. There is a universe of difference between latreia on the one hand and timitiki and proskynisis on the other...just as there is in English.

Problem is, you guys think you get to define what worship is, and is not...I don't think that's the way it works...

69 posted on 01/03/2010 3:37:19 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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