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To: Mr Rogers; PetroniusMaximus; Springfield Reformer; streetpreacher; vladimir998
I think that is also why the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith says, “This infallible assurance is not an essential part of faith, for a true believer may wait a long time, and struggle with many difficulties before obtaining it. [1]

That is a fair point. The Westminster Confessions states pretty much the same point which is why we often talk about the perseverance of the faith-those who persever have truly been called by God rather than once saved always saved (which has theological difficulties).

The question PetroniusMaximus is asking is how do I really know that I'm saved if I don't know that, in the very end, I will persevere-like your Buddhist friend. I would suggest there are tests for us to see if we are in the faith (2 Cor 13:5-8) the most important is scripture and an active prayer life.

Please note what the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith says about Assurance of salvation:


121 posted on 01/02/2010 6:15:48 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; PetroniusMaximus; Springfield Reformer; streetpreacher; vladimir998

“The question PetroniusMaximus is asking is how do I really know that I’m saved if I don’t know that, in the very end, I will persevere-like your Buddhist friend. I would suggest there are tests for us to see if we are in the faith (2 Cor 13:5-8) the most important is scripture and an active prayer life.”

I think you make a valid point. In the parable of the sower, sometimes the seed never takes root. Sometimes the soil is shallow, so the plant cannot last. That sounds like my Buddhist friend...who was only a Buddhist for about a year until he switched to something else. Sometimes the seed is choked by the weeds...sounds like the plant is alive, but not healthy. But maybe not. And then there is the seed that grows and bears fruit.

So time plus a hunger for God’s word and desire to speak with him would all be pretty strong signs, to which I would add the fruit of the Spirit. If God has been in you for many years, you will know. For my part, I suppose it took 20 years or more before I started to realize God wasn’t letting go, and to trust that he would really see me through to the finish.

It is a bit odd - the longer I go, the more I realize I don’t deserve anything, and the more certain I am that God has given me everything I need.


124 posted on 01/02/2010 8:10:33 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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