To: HarleyD
1) Are you saying these decrees issued by the Church are or are not infallible? What decrees? The list above are errors, things taught or spoken that are erroneous or wrong.
2) Is Vatican II infallible?
Vatican II was an ecumenical council during which no dogma or "doctrine" was promulgated. Nothing new is taught as a result. Someone with more Church knowledge than me can answer whether or not an ecumenical council is infallible. The reality is that much of what was claimed to be changed by Vat II was, in fact, not. That there were no concluding anathemas has been a bit of a thorn as nothing clear-cut came as a result other than misrepresentation to further agendas.
3) If Neither of these documents represents the infallible teaching of the Church, how do you know they are correct?
The syllabus does not change what was always taught. It just states it in a different way. Vatican II didn't change Church teaching, no matter what the progressives say, if you actually read the documents, so there is no reason to doubt the veracity.
30 posted on
12/29/2009 8:41:25 PM PST by
Desdemona
(These are the times that try men's souls. - Remember Christmas 1776)
To: Desdemona
What decrees? The list above are errors, things taught or spoken that are erroneous or wrong. Perhaps "decrees" was an improper term. The fact that these are listed as "errors" indicates that they are unture. Consequently:
15. Every man is free to embrace and profess the religion he shall believe true, guided by the light of reason.
Means that this is untrue. Every man is NOT free to embrace and profess the religion he believes is true. So what would the Catholic Church say is not a true religion?
Someone with more Church knowledge than me can answer whether or not an ecumenical council is infallible. The reality is that much of what was claimed to be changed by Vat II was, in fact, not.
How can you make that claim? If an ecumenical council, which bears the Pope's approval, isn't infallible what is?
36 posted on
12/31/2009 1:43:41 AM PST by
HarleyD
To: Desdemona; Claud; wmfights; All
Let's look at another "error":
78. Whence it has been wisely provided by law, in some countries called Catholic, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own worship.
Is freedom of religion an error? How about:
79. Moreover, it is false that the civil liberty of every mode of worship, and the full power given to all of overtly and publicly manifesting their opinions and their ideas, of all kinds whatsoever, conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people, and to the propagation of the pest of indifferentism.
How about freedom of speech? Those are two freedoms the Catholic Church condemned but yet is written in our Constitution.
38 posted on
12/31/2009 2:04:23 AM PST by
HarleyD
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