Help me find the Truth. (Personal question)

Urroner

[svcw]

Someone should ask her to join in. Unless she is here already under a different name.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“BTW, the agnostic sitting in the next cubicle, who encouraged me to start this thread, thinks you’re all goofy and off-your-rockers.

So let me see if I understand what is happening...

An agnostic and a guy in a mormon cult are at work,
stealing time from their employer so they can play games
with FReepers?

And when FReepers respond, this drives the agnostic thief
farther from Christianity and reinforces the faith of the
mormon thief?

And this somehow makes you feel so much better about being
in a cult? Really?

ampu

[svcw]

I am LDS-Christian

There fixed it for you.

[ejonesie22]

Tag teaming for the devil...

Nice...

[ejonesie22]

You know, the more I think about it that really speaks to the character of an LDSer. It is all a game to them, and they will ally themselves with anybody to try and win it.

Sad that they are playing the wrong "game", but we will keep trying, we are reaching more of them then they are suckering in to counter with....

[colorcountry]

This from another posting by you......

sciolist - n
an amateur who engages in an activity without serious intentions and who pretends to have knowledge
1615, “smatterer, pretender to knowledge,” from L.L. sciolus “one who knows a little,” dim. of scius “knowing,” from scire “to know”

[greyfoxx39]

“BTW, the agnostic sitting in the next cubicle, who encouraged me to start this thread, thinks you’re all goofy and off-your-rockers.

So let me see if I understand what is happening...

An agnostic and a guy in a mormon cult are at work,
stealing time from their employer so they can play games
with FReepers?

And when FReepers respond, this drives the agnostic thief
farther from Christianity and reinforces the faith of the
mormon thief?

And this somehow makes you feel so much better about being
in a cult? Really?

ampu

Exactly.

[greyfoxx39]

Ok, now carry on with you little game to impress your Mormon buddies. After all faith is just a sport with you guys anyways.

To remind everyone of the attitude towards Christians by mormon leaders.....

"Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." 

 Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 3, p. 266

"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the ‘Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men."
-    Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 3, p. 282

Apostle Bruce R. McConkie (1915 - 1985):

".the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization [Christianity], founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."
-    Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

“Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
-    Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46

“... all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ.... in large part the worship of apostate Christendom is performed in ignorance, as much so as was the worship of the Athenians who bowed the Unknown Gods.”
-    Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 269, 374-375

[IrishCatholic]

“What do you mean by future welfare? I understand if you mean future physical/social/emotion welfare, but do you mean spiritual welfare?

My wife, in the story, has told me that a person’s spiritual welfare/salvation in wholly dependent upon Christ and nothing I can do.”

I mean all of the above, but in this context I mean spiritual. Part of this is why I recommend the Catechism. For, with all due respect, your wife's theology is passive and weak and not represented by the Church. Salvation comes from Christ. But that doesn't mean it comes without the obligation to be worthy of that given free from the cross.

Think of an analogy of modern society. Everybody is so quick to tell you their rights; but no one steps up and tells you their responsibilities. You get the rights but how many live up to the responsibilities?

Christ and God the Father laid duties on us. Love one another is an example. What you do to the least of your brethren you do to me is another. Promises to God are another: Baptism, Confirmation, Matrimony, Holy Orders, keeping Holy days, keeping the 10 Commandments etc.

I usually explain the difference to people by comparing “spiritual” with “religious.” Spiritual people require no work. It is simply having a warm fuzzy feeling about something without having it interrupt their life and cause them any work. Think of a person who never attends church, even on Christmas,yet he would describe himself as ‘spiritual.’ That person has a theoretical knowledge of church and the Bible but doesn't let it shape his life or the life of his family. Instead, modern culture shapes their moral structure at random.

Such a Christian could, theoretically be a staunch advocate for abortion by refusing to define life or the right to life,or even consider if life was sacred. Such a person would easily adopt the stance that he wouldn't want his daughters “punished with a baby” if they became pregnant. Such a person would advocate homosexuality as normal and moral, promiscuity as having no repercussions, drugs as just cool, theft as morally justified as the person was wealthy and stealing was redistributing to people who weren't. You get the picture. Christianity becomes no obligation. It doesn't really enter into his life and modifies his actions or fulfills any of his obligations to God. All the rights, none of the responsibilities.

Now, contrast the religious to the spiritual. The religious person knows he falls short and will always fall short. That is why God showed such great love to send his son to take up our burden. Grace saves us, not our actions. But, we still have our responsibilities, our duties. A line from the Rosary: “...That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.”

Faith is made strong by work. It also brings inner peace. It is very tiring to live as a hypocrite. Mouthing the words while living in opposition is spiritual. Religious is trying always, and sometimes failing, to be made worthy.

As the man of the house yes, you are the head of the household and so responsible for your family. I would be sad if you decided against it.

[reaganaut]

Why is it that you supposed Christians keep asking these questions and NEVER ask the ones that SHOULD have been asked?

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Ask the jerk Bob Millet.

[reaganaut]

here is a new location for your clip btw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c60UrLuZIaU

[ejonesie22]

“.the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable..”

Still one of my favorites...

Considering even LDS sources discuss the “revisions’...

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/bom_changes.htm

And the more accurate Non LDS resources highlight the reality of the “Unchanging and unchanged” BOM:

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/3913intro.htm

[reaganaut]

There’s GOT to be a pony in here SOMEwhere!

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Check under the couch.

[reaganaut]

No, resty hasn’t come out to play with us.

[reaganaut]

Cheese eatin’ surrender MORMON?

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ROFL. and ‘adieu’.

[urroner]

Go here and watch the videos on the topic of “Welcome To The 11th Dimension.” Good stuff.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

[reaganaut]

Why DOES the San Diego Mormon temple look like Cinderella’s castle?

[Godzilla]

Why DOES the San Diego Mormon temple look like Cinderella’s castle?

When you wish upon a Kolob. . . .

[reaganaut]

An agnostic and a guy in a mormon cult are at work,
stealing time from their employer so they can play games
with FReepers?

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Excellent point, AMPU.

I wonder how Urroner will respond when he is asked at his next temple recommend review THIS question?

#9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

[ejonesie22]