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To: the_conscience; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Mad Dawg

I think it’s a fallacy that God would wink at national evil sanctioned by law.

We get, imho, more or less the leaders and laws we . . . set ourselves up for, deserve?

Could we be overwhelmingly virtuous in our families and local communities and still have national laws of great evil. Yup. Would depend on the critical mass involved, but Yup. Particularly between now and Armageddon.

We’ll likely have no choice. The globalist die is cast. The National laws will be evil to the max.

Authentic Christians, however, will do great exploits in behalf of God and His virtue, by His Grace, Blood, Spirit and angelic help . . . whether in the guillotine line or the market place or the net or wherever, in whatever context.

Authentic Christians are not, really, more limited—when God and they decide they are not—than anyone.

We are to consider the impossible routine. We are to live FREE INDEED regardless of the context and circumstances—because free IN Jesus we ARE FREE INDEED.

At His Grace/command/permission:

We are free in fiery furnaces;
We are free in shipwrecks;
We are free in lion’s dens;
We are free in Pharoah’s court;
We are free in famines;
We are free in waterless deserts when water comes out of The Rock;
We are free to walk on water;
We are free to travel in His Spirit bodily;

. . . I don’t think National Laws can improve a LOT on our Freedoms IN CHRIST.

Though I have no doubts whatsoever that some National laws HE EXPECTS US TO FIGHT FORCEFULLY AGAINST AND SOME FORCEFULLY FOR.

Becuase it is the good and righteous thing to do.

‘All that’s necessary for evil to triumph . . . is for the good to remain silent.’

There is the puzzling thing about the Righteous taking things by force. Maybe we’ll learn more what that’s about.

Still, the weapons of our warfare are not carnal . . .

to the pulling down of strongholds . . .


14 posted on 12/27/2009 8:20:40 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Mad Dawg; Ackackadack; Dr. Eckleburg
Re #13: I don't believe these conclusions fall based upon the doctrinal differences between Arminians and Calvinists. My guess is that Mr. Miller is an Arminian but as a Calvinist I can come to the same conclusion through the doctrine of secondary means such that virtue is something that can be achieved through persuasion not compulsion. If that is correct then persuasion is best accomplished mano a mano not through national dictates.

Though I have no doubts whatsoever that some National laws HE EXPECTS US TO FIGHT FORCEFULLY AGAINST AND SOME FORCEFULLY FOR.

Personally I believe the governments role is limited to the 2nd table of the Law: rule of law, theft, deceit, fraud, and covetousness. These are natural laws that even the most pagan of nations understand. Notice however that there is no prohibition against personal vice within the ten commandments. These laws merely protect neighbor from neighbor.

Still, the weapons of our warfare are not carnal

Agreed. It is the Church not the State that have the spiritual weapons.

See this TV Debate to see more of Mr. Miller's proposal.

15 posted on 12/27/2009 1:01:33 PM PST by the_conscience (I'm a bigot: Against Jihadists and those who support despotism of any kind.)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


18 posted on 12/27/2009 9:17:45 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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