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To: MarkBsnr

Why don’t you produce one single Scripture passage that contains the words “free will” are written. After you’ve done that, I’ll produce for you the numerous passages where the words “election”, “predestined”, “chosen”, “elect”, etc..... are written.

Christ said “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.” (John 6:44) Therefore, the ability to come to Christ is not in the natural man, because as it says in 1 Corinthians 2:14 “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.”

Christ also said in John 3:3 “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Therefore, until man is born again (or born from above) he is not even able to see the kingdom of God, much less want to be in the kingdom of God.

Doubters in the sovereignty of God in salvation should spend time in Romans 9, where Paul addresses people who fight against the truth that God will have mercy on whom He has mercy, and He hardens whom He hardens.

Romans 9:16 “So then it depends NOT ON HUMAN WILL OR EXERTION, but on God, who has mercy.

Romans 9:18 “ So then HE has mercy on whomever HE WILLS, and He hardens whomever He wills.”

To say that all men have the ability to exercise their free will and come to Christ, apart from the drawing of God, goes against the clear teaching of Scripture.

Romans 3:11-12 “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; NO ONE SEEKS FOR GOD. All have turned asisde; together they have become worthless; no on does good, not even one.”

Romans 10:20 “ Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those WHO DID NOT SEEK ME; I have shown myself to those who DID NOT ASK FOR ME.”


47 posted on 12/24/2009 7:37:57 AM PST by paulist ("For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." - Philippians 1:21)
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To: paulist
Christ said “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.” (John 6:44) Therefore, the ability to come to Christ is not in the natural man, because as it says in 1 Corinthians 2:14 “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.”

And? Are you really the Paulian that debated me some time ago and withdrew when I posted to you that even Paul said that God desires all men to be saved. Therefore free will is there, since not all men are saved. Unless you have a weak God that is unable to work His Calvinistic magic.

Romans 10:20 “ Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those WHO DID NOT SEEK ME; I have shown myself to those who DID NOT ASK FOR ME.”

Exactly. God shows His Mercy to all and extends His Grace to all. Thank you for making my point for me.

49 posted on 12/25/2009 11:19:14 AM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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