Wiesenthal Center shocked at pope Pius sainthood moves

AFP ^ | 12/21/2009

[ArrogantBustard]

860,000

And the beat goes on.

The effete anti-Catholic left continues its sick obsession with pointless drivel.

[Michel12]

I speak for the dead. Contrarily to a lot of bishops or arshbishops, Pius stayed silent when he should have talked. He isn’t a saint but a sinner. And God will make him accountable for his sins.

[Kells]

For anybody who cares, Albert Einstein, Golda Meir and Chief Rabbi Isaac Herzog of Palestine among many others had a different take on it to say the least.

Obviously none of the complainers care about the real-world saving of Jewish lives since they studiously avoid the topic as if it never happened.

From the article: "These were turbulent times. You had people who stood up to dictators. "Pius (XII) did not," Hier stressed.

Who defied dictators more than Pope Pius XII? The article does not name the "people who stood up to dictators." Nor does the article say one word about the heroic works of the Pope. The silence is deafening.

There has been a media campaign by Jewish groups to smear the Vatican as complicit in the crimes of WWII. Many European governments have been forced into paying ongoing reparations. There have already been unsuccessful lawsuits to set up the Vatican in the same way.

[Michel12]

Who defied dictators more than Pope Pius XII?


Try Monseigneur Salièges
http://www1.yadvashem.org.il/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%203112.pdf Or Monsignor Roncalli, later John XXIII...
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_30_41/ai_n14702590/

[Kells]

The examples you cite were subordinates of Pope Pius XII following his example. They certainly did not more to defy dictators than the Pope.

[Michel12]

They did... Salièges read his pastoral letter in spite of his superior’s orders. Roncalli never consulted the Vatican. Pius didn’t do a damn thing. I consider him an ally of the nazis...

[Kells]

Do you deny actions against the NAZIs widely attributed to Pope Pius?

[Michel12]

It was too little too late. Pius was more afraid of the communists.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html

Pope Pius XII's (1876-1958) actions during the Holocaust remain controversial. For much of the war, he maintained a public front of indifference and remained silent while German atrocities were committed. *bµHe refused pleas for help on the grounds of neutrality, while making statements condemning injustices in general. Privately, he sheltered a small number of Jews and spoke to a few select officials, encouraging them to help the Jews ...

Even as Cardinal, Pacelli's actions regarding Hitler were controversial. Hitler took power on January 30, 1933. On July 20 that same year, Pacelli and German diplomat Franz Von Papen signed a concordat that granted freedom of practice to the Roman Catholic Church. In return, the Church agreed to separate religion from politics. This diminished the influence of the Catholic Center Party and the Catholic Labor unions. The concordat was generally viewed as a diplomatic victory for Hitler.(1)

THis supposed vicar of whoever did less than the low Pastor André Trocmé in Le Chambon sur Lignon, a true man of God. Pius was a Nazi ally.

[Kells]

Privately, he sheltered a small number of Jews

This assertion by your article that Pope Pius XII only sheltered a "small" number of Jews is blatant falsehood. The article covers up the widespread, universal acclamation given to Pope Pius XII by top-ranking Jewish leaders in politics, religion, media, and charities. Will you try to say that Golda Meir, the chief rabbi of Rome, the New York Times, and the World Council of Jews were also allies of Hitler?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Pius was a Nazi ally.

History and common sense prove that true. Most Jews know this to be true. Anyone who can read and put two and two together understand it is true

The only people who have trouble with this fact are RC apologists who work to erase history, deny common sense, hide the truth and continue to blame the Jews.

[Michel12]

Most Jews know this to be true. American Jews didn’t live through the Shoah and are generally quite ignorant of the real story. Talk to any Polish Jew on his/her view of this war criminal, Pius XII...

But it wouldn’t be the first time that an ally of a mass murderer would be “canonized”... Think of Olaf of Norway... Or Bernard of Clairvaux...

And given that one of this Pius’ predecessor was a kidnapper (Pius IX and Edgardo Mortara), not the first time a criminal was pope either or even beatified (the vile kidnapper Pius IX was beatified).

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"THE KIDNAPPING OF EDGARDO MORTARA"
by David Kertzer
Author of "The Popes Against the Jews: The Vatican's Role in the Rise of Modern Anti- Semitism"

[stfassisi]

then why did they beatify FDR, who was shown the train tracks to Auschwitz yet refused to bomb them? Who turned away Jewish refugees by the thousands, who then went to die in the camps?

The Roosevelt's had much common with Hitler,they were involved in the occult and had occultists like Henry Wallace on their staff.

If anyone looked the other way it was FDR and his staff.. and it leaves one wondering why they did?

[Michel12]

Did you read the book? It is actual history of how the kidnapper Pius IX helped in kidnapping a Jewish child... And there is actual proofd of it, in trial records etc.

[Michel12]

http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Edgardo:Mortara.htm

"On the evening of 23 June 1858, police of the Papal States, of which Bologna was then part, arrived at the home of a Jewish couple, Momolo and Marianna Mortara, to seize one of their eight children, six-year-old Edgardo, and transport him to Rome to be raised by the Catholic church.

The police had orders from the Vatican authorities in Rome, authorised by Pope Pius IX. Church officials had been told that a Catholic servant girl of the Mortaras had baptized Edgardo while he was ill because she feared that he would otherwise die and go to Hell. Under the law of the Papal States, Edgardo's baptism made him a Christian, and Jews could not raise a Christian child, even their own. In his relation in favor of the beatification of Pope Pius IX, Edgardo himself noted that the laws of the Papal States did not allow Catholics to work for JewishJudaism is the religion and culture of the Jewish people and the first recorded monotheistic faith. The tenets and history of Judaism constitute the historical foundation of many other religions, including Christianity and Islam. Star of David, a common s families. That law was widely disregarded. (The full transcript of Mortara's testimony in favor of beatification can be found by following one of the external links below.)

Edgardo was taken to a house for Catholic converts in Rome, built with funds from taxes levied on Jews. His parents were not allowed to see him for several weeks, and then not alone. Pius IX took a personal interest in the case, and all appeals to the Church were rebuffed. Church authorities told the Mortaras that they could have Edgardo back if they converted to Catholicism, but they refused.

The incident soon received extensive publicity both in Italy and internationally. In the Kingdom of Piedmont, the largest independent state in Italy and the centre of the movement for Italian unificationItalian unification also known as the Risorgimento was a historical process by which the Kingdom of Sardinia (ruled by Savoy dynasty capital Turin) conquered the Italian peninsula with the inclusion of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, the Duchy of Modena,, both the government and the press used the case to reinforce their claims that the Papal States were ruled by mediaeval obscurantists and should be liberated from Papal rule.

Protests were lodged by both Jewish organizations and prominent political and intellectual figures in BritainThe word Britain is used to refer to the United Kingdom (UK): i. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (from 1927), the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland ( 1801- 1927) or the United Kingdom of Great Britain ( 1707- 1801)., the United States, Germany, Austria, and France. Soon the governments of these countries added to calls for Edgardo to be returned to his parents. The French Emperor Napoleon III, whose troops garrisoned Rome to protect the Pope against the Italian unificationists, also protested.

Pius IX was unmoved by these appeals, which mostly came from Protestants, atheists and Jews, and were thus without moral force for him. When a delegation of prominent Jews saw him in 1859, he told them, "I couldn't care less what the world thinks." At another meeting, he brought Edgardo with him to show that the boy was happy in his care. In 1865 he said: "I had the right and the duty to do what I did for this boy, and if I had to, I would do it again."

The Mortara case served to harden the already prevalent opinion in both Italy and abroad that the rule of the Pope over a large area of central Italy was an anachronism and an affront to human rights in an age of liberalism and rationalism. It helped persuade opinion in both Britain and France to allow Piedmont to go to war with the Papal States in 1859 and annex most of the Pope's territories, leaving him with only the city of Rome. When the French garrison was withdrawn in 1870, Rome too was annexed by the new Kingdom of Italy.

n 1859, after Bologna had been annexed to Piedmont, the Mortaras made another effort to recover their son, but he had been taken to Rome. "