[Tzfat]

This is a two-fold prophesy.

Yes. In the same way, Isaiah 53 is about Israel.

Arguing against Jews when it comes to the Hebrew Scriptures is sheer folly. To "them" were given the oracles of HaShem (Rom 3:2). I shudder when I hear Christians explaining prophecies about Messiah, because invariably they end up looking like morons to people who LIVE the words of the Hebrew Scriptures. The nuances of Hebrew are lost on so many Christians as they act like bulls in a china shop.

The reality is: Isaiah 7:14 uses the word ALMA. It does NOT mean "virgin" - although it can imply it. Likewise, Isaiah 53 is about "My Servant Israel" - so when Christians blindly insist that Jews must see "Jesus" in Isaiah 53, such talk sounds silly.

Rather, Christians should defer to the experts (Jews), while not abandoning their own understanding. Isaiah 7:14 is about Isaiah's wife AND about the mother of Messiah. Isaiah 53 is about national Israel AND about Messiah, King of Israel.

[Caesar Soze]

Rather, Christians should defer to the experts (Jews), while not abandoning their own understanding.

As pointed out above, we are deferring to the experts. In this case, we are deferring to the Hellenistic Jews who are much closer temporally to the original text than any person living today, and also much closer than the Masoretes which fixed the modern Hebrew text. Don't blame us if there's a virgin in the Septuagint, we didn't put her there!

[kosciusko51]

Interesting comment on Isaiah 53. The problem I see is that many Jews will see this passage as ONLY national Israel and not the Messiah, and have denied any connection to Messiah. And Christians see this as ONLY Christ, and not the Israel.

As to the Jewish denial of Isaiah 53 as referring to Jesus, I would say this is described by Paul in Romans 11:8 "Just as it is written, 'GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR, EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT, DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY.'" - A reference to Deuteronomy 29:4 describing the unbelief of the Jews during their time in the wilderness.

[TaraP]

What Jews are you speaking about? I know many Jews who believe that Isaiah 53 is speaking about a *virgin* birth

Plenty of scriptures that identify women who were of ill-repute and mary was not one of them she was young she was jewish and she was a virgin...

Wether a Jew or Gentile if you do the research, pray and seek scriptures either one might come to the conclusion they are now a person who embraces a Christian Message of Good News, from a Jew named Jesus Christ who came to the Jew first then the gentile- In other words for every earth dweller then and now...