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To: Kolokotronis

“I hope this clarifies our belief”

OK my frigid Maine partner, let’s see if we have this right. Col. 1:16-17 says, “all things were created by him,(Jesus) and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” This must include all people, including Mary.

Following this to its logical conclusion, God created Mary who then gave birth to God. That would make God the mother and father of God. That sounds a lot like Latham and Jaffe’s take on a Mark Twain piece:

Many, many years ago when I was twenty-three
I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be.
This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her and soon they, too, were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life
For my daughter was my mother, ‘cause she was my father’s wife.
To complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad
And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad
For if he was my uncle, then that also made him brother
To the widow’s grown-up daughter, who, of course, was my step-mother.

My father’s wife then had a son who kept them on the run
And he became my grand-child, ‘cause he was my daughter’s son.
My wife is now my mother’s mother, and it makes me blue
Because, although she is my wife, she’s my grandmother too.

If my wife is my grandmother, then I am her grandchild
And every time I think of it, it nearly drives me wild
For now I have become the strangest case you ever saw
(This has got to be the strangest thing I ever saw)
As husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpaw.

Chorus
I’m my own grandpaw
I’m my own grandpaw
It sounds funny I know
but it really is so
Oh, I’m my own grandpaw.

p.s. The good news is only four more days until the days start getting longer; the bad news is there will be more daylight to see how much colder it is going to be.


52 posted on 12/17/2009 8:46:58 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan
"OK my frigid Maine partner, let’s see if we have this right. Col. 1:16-17 says, “all things were created by him,(Jesus) and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” This must include all people, including Mary."

Of course; +John said it so much better:

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. 2οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν. 3πάντα δι' αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο, καὶ χωρὶς αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο οὐδὲ ἕν.

"That would make God the mother and father of God."

No, that would make God the creator of the Most Holy Theotokos, not her mother nor her father for that matter (except to the extent that He is Our Father). Her mother was +Anna and her father was +Joachim.

It was 19 degrees last Sunday AM as I drove through Pittsfield, thought of your folks and said a prayer of thanksgiving for their many years! :)

2 Degrees when I left the house for court this morning.

60 posted on 12/17/2009 11:05:26 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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