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To: CondoleezzaProtege
He’s referring to the heavens(meaning the skies...which are PART of the EARTH of the earth) as the tent/canopy. He’s not referring to something outside the earth, he’s referring to the earth’s skies themselves.

Um, yeah, of course. Why would you think I'm confused about that?

But you're drawing from the fact that the analogy conveys a three-dimensional aspect to the heavens -- they are like a tent -- that three-dimensionality is thereby conveyed to what the tent covers. This is a complete non-sequitor. In every normal case a tent covers a flat and level surface. And there is nothing, absolutely nothing, in this passage to suggest that this analogy should be interpreted in any but the normal way.

80 posted on 12/12/2009 10:14:36 AM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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“Mr. Till’s argumentation was exactly as we expected it to be. Whenever he is presented with an argument which puts him in a bind, he will argue around the argument. This is exactly what he did in answering my argument on the word khoog. Let us note what he says. He said that Young and Strong defined the word khoog and neither of them used the word sphere as one of the meanings. If Mr. Till would just stop and think about it, he could see that Young and Strong did not give every meaning of the word. Nor did they give the forms of the word. Davidson in The Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon also used the words compass and compasses, but only when the word is used in its feminine form. Strong simply threw out several definitions and did not distinguish between genders as Davidson did. If one wants a quick meaning, he might go to Strong or Young. However, if one wants to see how a word is used, he is going to have to go to a lexicon. However, I am glad that Mr. Till says that Strong is a widely recognized authority. I think that I will quote him when I send my response to Adrian Swindler on the flat earth article. Swindler said that Strong simply lied.

Mr. Till did not begin to deal with the masculine gender of the word khoog. Whenever, this word is in its masculine form. it means a circle, a sphere. In Isaiah 40:22 the word is used in its masculine form, therefore, it means a circle, a sphere. Mr. Tilt suggested that a circle and a sphere are two different things. True, they are sometimes different, but Webster says that a circle is, “...formed on the surface of a sphere by the intersection of a plane that passes through it.” (Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, p.200) A circle is formed on the surface of the spherical earth. Is it not reasonable that Isaiah refers to this spherical circle of the earth? Could God not sit above this circle on the spherical earth? Now, let him deal with the word in its masculine form, it means a circle, a sphere. When it is in the feminine form, it is not translated circle, but something like compass, circuit or something like that. Such is its usage in Isaiah 44:13, there it reads “compass.”

As far as his argument is concerned about this not being an argument for scientific foreknowledge is concerned I do not recall making such an REBUTTAL from argument. I do believe, however, that it is an argument for such and I do not believe that Mr. Till nor anyone else can show that it is not. Mr. Till says that most, “...general encyclopedias indicate that the Greeks Egyptians, and astronomically curious societies of Isaiah’s day knew that the earth was a sphere.” This is only true, if one puts Isaiah about 250 B.C. However, if one puts Isaiah about 750 B.C. (where he belongs) then one is going to have a hard time proving that. The Book of Knowledge says, “Greek astronomers before the time of Christ observed that during a lunar eclipse, when the earth is between the sun and the moon, the earth always casts a curved shadow on the moon. On the basis of these and many other facts they decided that the earth is shaped like a ball... One scholar, Erathosthenes (about 250 B.C.) came very close to figuring the actual distance around the earth.” (Vol. l, p.39) The World Book says that, “The sciences based upon research and experiment did not develop in Greece until the late 300’s B.C.” (Vol. 7:p.364) Pythagoras, the Greek philosopher, “...believed that the earth was spherical...” (The World Book, Vol. 14, p.8 13), but this was around 200 years after Isaiah. Lars Thunberg said that Babylonians thought the earth was a great mountain, then said: “The Egyptians held similar ideas.” (MATC) pp. 26 27) If he wants to debate, let him debate his own paper. (TSR Vol. l, No.3 pp.5,6) jdm”

http://www.bible-infonet.org/Challenge/topics/miscellaneous/01_01_03.htm


81 posted on 12/12/2009 10:41:41 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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