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To: Mrs. Frogjerk
The Pope's that you have quoted had said that because they truly believe that we are the one true church, not out of arrogance but because they had a deep faith that they were speaking the truth. You see it as arrogance because YOU don't believe that. They simply want to keep people from leaving the Church for their souls sake.

Understandable.

But by that reasoning, one can argue that Protestants who believe that the distinctive differences between Catholics and Protestants present barriers preventing Catholics from coming to Christ are not arrogant because they also have a deep faith that they are speaking the truth and are trying to save souls. That door swings both ways and if you are going to argue that it is okay for Catholics to make such statements, it follows necessarily from that logic that it ought to be okay for Protestants to make such comments as well without being accused of "arrogance."

There are many on both sides who sincerely believe that they have a monopoly on Truth. The arrogance comes in when one side expects the other to accept the framework of debate solely within its own terms and definitions. Both sides do it way too much for anything fruitful to ever proceed from these debates.

611 posted on 12/09/2009 11:24:45 AM PST by MWS
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To: MWS
I agree.

I don't think that it is arrogant to express ones faith in their own Church. I just cannot stand it when either side of the debate is unwilling to really discuss their belief's without debasing somebody else. Christ would be appalled at some of the things that are said on here by everybody.

I look at it this way, I truly do love Jesus. I know that my Protestant brethren feel the same way. We are simply not going to agree on everything, that is just our nature as people. The one thing that we absolutely must agree on is that we live our lives for Christ and nobody else. Not for money, not for material items, most importantly not for ourselves. But for God's son. I am not saying that my Church's teachings don't matter. I am simply saying that if we were to all truly live for our Lord things would be so much better.

I don't mean to sound preachy. I am just a simple housewife and mother of three. I am no extraordinary person by any means. I just wish that all of us Christains could join together as one to worship Christ and do right by him and be good people. I just feel like the world is falling away lately. It just feels so dark. My heart breaks for everybody. The devil truly does enjoy watching us bicker at each other. I wish that it could stop.

619 posted on 12/09/2009 11:43:16 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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