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To: Campion
It's not the case that, for anyone on earth, their "salvation is something they actually possess right now", so your objection is a red herring. The contrary position was condemned by Trent.

Trent's position is condemned by God...So who ya gonna believe, man? or God???

Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Oh yeah, we have eternal life, right now...The fellows at Trent tell you otherwise...They want you to think that 'they' have some sort of controlling authority over your eternal salvation...God says 'no they don't'...

553 posted on 12/09/2009 9:38:38 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
I was talking to someone who claims to be a Catholic, not inviting a discussion on the Scriptural aspects of eternal security, hence my reference to Trent. He claims that Trent is authoritative for him.

Oh yeah, we have eternal life, right now

So could you embark on a career of mass murder, proudly insist you did the right thing up until the end, then die and go straight to heaven?

(If you think I'm being flip, I'm not.)

"... lest by any means, after that I have preached to others, I myself should be rejected." -- 1 Cor 9:27

Iscool condemns Paul's position. Who'm I gonna trust?

565 posted on 12/09/2009 9:49:37 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Iscool
Trent's position is condemned by God...

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

It is also false.

The fellows at Trent tell you otherwise...They want you to think that 'they' have some sort of controlling authority over your eternal salvation...

You're not describing the Catholic Church.

613 posted on 12/09/2009 11:27:29 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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