[SnakeDoctor]

>> Without the Authority and Infallibility of the Catholic church given by the Holy Spirit there would be no Bible. If the Catholic church was fallible the the Bible is not worth the paper it is printed on.

That depends on your interpretation of “doctrinal infallibility”. One can believe that the construction of the Bible was infallible, and not believe that everything the Catholic church does (doctrinally) is infallible. That certain events throughout history have been divine does not necessarily mean that divine infallibility rests eternally in one group of men.

Personally, I have seen no Biblical justification for the belief that doctrinal infallibility is forever.

SnakeDoc

[jroneil]

My point was the Bible can not justify itself. Someone had to justify the Bible and that was the Holy Spirit through the Pope and the Bishops at the time.

One can believe that the construction of the Bible was infallible, and not believe that everything the Catholic church does (doctrinally) is infallible

Short answer is yes

A longer answer The Church received all the information that was need but did not have a complete understanding of it example Mary Mother of God This was not decided until the First Council of Ephesus in 431. If it was stated in the first century that would have resulted in a Mother Goddess and that is not the point of that dogma I could right a book but its been done

[Natural Law]

"Personally, I have seen no Biblical justification for the belief that doctrinal infallibility is forever.'

Your argument lacks continuity. To accept that the Bible, as written and reproduced is a Divine work one must accept that the hand of the Holy Spirit guided a group of learned and pious men in determining which books to include and which to exclude. To then deny that the Holy Spirit retired and no longer guided similar groups of learned and pious men in the selection of St. Peter's successors and their continued interpretation of doctrine and writings before them doesn't compute.