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To: Dutchboy88
# 45 you would have cited book, chapter and verse proving that the Scriptures say, "You should have a pope based in Rome."
Rome is not so important, though the successor of Peter is. To ask for proof that the successor of Peter should be in Rome is to ask for proof of something we don't teach. Why should we prove that?

#66 Someday, perhaps Rome will let its sheeple learn how to read.
The Catholic Church founded universities. Monasteries often had teaching ministries in their communities. St. John Bosco founded school for indigent and abandoned children. School were a major emphasis of Catholic growth in the US. With our long history of not only supporting but providing education around the world, we can only look on remarks like this one as the fruits of a thought process utterly out of touch with reality.

# 103 You were asked to provide a book, chapter and verse to support the "pope in Rome is the big kahuna." No verse, no further...
This was already shown to be a falsehood. You made statements alleging an inability. At this time of this post you had made no request.

Once again, it is hard to decide how to respond to a post which has so little discernible relationship to what actually happened.

#119 "Where in the Scripture (that your gang purports to have provided) does it say there will be a pope in Rome?"
I don't know of any place in Scripture that says the successor of Peter should reside in Rome. So, I have answered your question, as you phrased it.

#127 As I said before, if there were justification for the power hungry pope you would have posted it.
(a) I see no justification for a power hungry pope in Scripture.

(b) To be able to find a question in your assertions that there is no justification for a pope in Rome would be to engage in the kind of mind-reading that is discouraged on this forum.

Further, since you rarely assert something we actually believe (because you add "in Rome" or "power hungry") there is nothing in your assertions that provokes anything like an answer.

#132 Should you be interested in finding, "...falsehood, rudeness, and abuse of those with whom you disagree.", you may review some of the posts from fellow RCs. The venom spewed, when told the Mother Ship is a fraud, hardly rises to the level of "philadelphia".

You have found something you agree with Catholics about: Some Catholics are uncharitable so it is licit for you to post as you do. "Gee, Mom, all the other kids do it."

133 posted on 12/09/2009 9:17:34 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

The believers in Christ, members of the true universal church of Jesus, the church without walls, without a country, without a human “vicar of Christ” a “Christ on earth”, will ask in any plain English manner that finally penetrates the clouded darkness of Rome, where does the Scripture teach that there is a pope? Rome won’t answer because Rome cannot. It is created from the traditions of men lost in the darkness, stuck in their trespasses and sin. If you cannot spot a dodge...we can.

Using Matt. 16 to support this claim is beyond fanciful, it is all the way to ludicrous. But, this kind of manufactured theology is precisely where mariolatry came from, indulgences, pergatory, rosaries, sacerdotalism, and other bizarre extensions into heresy. People who cling to such error may be believers or may not, but the teaching of this is demonic and is to be called what it is...false.

Paul called Peter out on his hypocrisy and false elevation of Judaism. This after Peter had been the first to explain the Gospel to Gentiles. After the public spanking, Peter recognized just how stupid and wrong the Law-keeping error was and defended Paul’s perspective before a group of men in Jerusalem (Acts 15). Peter routinely deferred to Paul as one who taught the Gospel correctly, even when it was difficult for him to fully understand (II Pet. 3:14 - 18). And he recognized that folks, like Rome, would come along and twist words into false doctrines. That is why we call upon Rome to repent.

If you consider these statements to be “rude”, that is your misunderstanding. They are meant to be stark messages that Rome is beyond “mistaken”; they have moved all the way to a self-aggrandizing cult. They do not preach the message of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone, granted by grace alone, according to Paul or Peter. Rather, there is the added tons of absolution, sacraments, hail marys, and other trappings that are nothing but reminders of their “power”.

RCs routinely rant about “private interpretations” made by Protestants. But, private interpretations does not mean that the person takes the ordinary meaning of the words for what it is saying, it means taking the understanding and twisting it to support a doctrine that is not taught there. Look closely at Rome...this is their hallmark. The great majority of the behaviors, chantings, ceremonies, activities, sacraments and so forth...are not taught in Scripture. They manufactured this from twisting the Scripture. If you read the letter to the Romans through completely, front to back, the average person could not find a papal, sacerdotal, sacramental construct taught. Quite the opposite. But, this doesn’t stop Rome.

When you continuously turn the conversation from, “Where is the support for a pope?” to “You haven’t actually asked a question”, you reveal the kind of twisting to which I am referring. This kind of legal wrangling doesn’t attend to the support, but diverts (or attempts to divert) the issue to another unrelated matter.

There is no Scriptural support for a pope. Whether that is in Rome or in Cucamonga, CA. It just is not there. Rome has manufactured it along with all of the other diversions that it calls “revering Christ”. We call this stuff “error”. And, since the average Catholic that I meet (and I meet them almost daily), reports an aberrant view of what salvation is about, I lay this at the feet of the self-acclaimed pope & Rome. The typical Catholic reports that “If I keep the seven sacraments, and am a good person, God will save me.” This is doctrine from the devil. And it certainly didn’t come from them listening to “Protestants”.


134 posted on 12/10/2009 7:23:05 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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