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When the Sun Turned Black
Insight Scoop ^ | December 5, 2009 | Paul Glynn, S.M.

Posted on 12/05/2009 6:00:32 PM PST by NYer

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To: narses
So our military is ALWAYS right? ALWAYS?

I'm checking my posts, and I'm having difficulty finding where I posted that I thought that our military is ALWAYS right, ALWAYS.

So my choices are

A.) Our Military is ALWAYS right. ALWAYS.
B.) Our military rapes and murders.

I think I'll choose

C.) The United States military, while obviously filled with human beings and will have the occasional criminal in its midst, does not condone such behavior among its ranks, and is in fact filled with highly trained, honorable warriors worthy of our respect and gratitude who are willing to go through hell to protect our sorry asses.

Those who learn history from Oliver Stone movies tend to post repugnant slanders against good people.

281 posted on 12/06/2009 7:38:30 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: Lazamataz

You left our Barack Hussein Obama.


282 posted on 12/06/2009 7:39:35 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: cynwoody

Boy is that wrong. The nuclear attacks on Japan were strategic. Period.

Calling it terrorism is insane.


283 posted on 12/06/2009 7:54:29 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Lazamataz
You forgot “The Thing That Lives Behind The Refrigerator; Eater of moldy bologna and Stealer of cat toys”
284 posted on 12/06/2009 8:03:52 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Didn't sneakers point out that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were industrial centers for the Japanese military?

That must be ignored. Along with everything else that the Japanese were doing. According to some on this thread the only thing in those cities were happy one year olds skipping through the cherry blossoms with their wittle puppy wif a boo-boo on it's paw.

285 posted on 12/06/2009 8:11:18 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Lazamataz
You forgot “The Thing That Lives Behind The Refrigerator; Eater of moldy bologna and Stealer of cat toys”

Ooh, ooh! Also: Maytag, Dryer of Clothes and Eater of Sock.

286 posted on 12/06/2009 9:03:31 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: Tolsti2
The nuclear attacks on Japan were strategic. Period.

Calling it terrorism is insane.

Why? Terrorism is killing non-combatants (and any other available targets) in order to motivate a national command authority to do the right thing (surrender, LOL!). Psychology is important. Nagasaki was necessary to convince the national command authority in question that Hiroshima was not a one-off.

Whether terrorism's good or bad depends on the national command authority in question. But let's not get confused about the label!

Ending the war early probably saved a lot of lives, net, on both sides. But that's a subject for endless debate.

The proper takeaway should be, attack America and get stomped as hard as stomped can be! Then let the historians sort it out.Tthe courts can go to hell, because the USA will win!

287 posted on 12/06/2009 10:10:50 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: starlifter

War sucks for the losers. We exterminated men, women, children, cows, goats and chickens when we incinerated Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Dresden and Berlin. Unless you are prepared to call Truman, Eisenhower, MacArthur and Patton war criminals, then your argument is worthless.


288 posted on 12/07/2009 12:05:31 AM PST by 10mm
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

> I don’t find that anywhere in YHvH’s commandments:

You’ll find it in the Ten Commandments as number six.

While it is common to render “kill” to mean “murder” in order to provide justification the the times when humans do kill humans (war, capital punishment, self defense), Jesus makes the meaning plain in His Sermon on the Mount, Matt 5:21-22

“Thou shalt not kill” means “Thou shalt not kill”. When we do we are in violation of God’s law.


289 posted on 12/07/2009 1:11:08 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: B-Chan

> However, I also insist that we face the moral reality of what we do in war. Instead of making a cowardly attempt to justify the deaths of civilians we caused during the bombings of Japan, we need to look at the innocent lives we took during the war with Japan and say “Yes, we murdered them. May God forgive us.”

Amen. We are in agreement there.


290 posted on 12/07/2009 1:12:44 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: dsc

> There are no rational grounds to think that. The difference between killing, say, in a struggle against Evil, and murder, are greater than those between a mugger cutting with a switchblade and a surgeon cutting with a scalpel.

What you say would be true, if only Christ hadn’t preached His Sermon on the Mount and included the inconvenient verses 21 and 22. Christ provides NO JUSTIFICATION, and no wiggle-room, for killing. At all. Ever. When we do, we sin.

(And when we sin, we can be forgiven. Or rather, “must” seek forgiveness if we are to stay right with Christ.)


291 posted on 12/07/2009 1:16:09 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: magisterium
It is hard to see how a serious Christian can really view a military career as inherently honorable in the sight of God, these days.

What an appalling stupid statement. I'm guessing you've never spent a day in the military or really know anyone who serves.

292 posted on 12/07/2009 2:44:08 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Biblical history says otherwise.


293 posted on 12/07/2009 2:47:36 AM PST by caww
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To: magisterium

Since you are not a christian as nobody who supports terrorism like you and anyone who hates our military like you is no christian why do you care?

Osama appreciates your support.


294 posted on 12/07/2009 2:48:17 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth THEY finally begin December 2009 (Keep flammables away from TV 12/10))
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Actually the correct interpetation is thou shalt not murder...Also ecc. states “a time for war”.

I am for a defense of anything which is dear to me...family, home Nation, peoples I love. And if that means I kill someone in the process then so be it. Safety for me and mine will always come first. The USA is my country.


295 posted on 12/07/2009 2:54:46 AM PST by caww
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To: magisterium

Stop using christianity since you hate our troops and wish them all death. Nothing worse than an atheist using christianity.

Since you hate our troops do you do a dance we all recognize when you hear more died or make one up?

Atheist using christianity.


296 posted on 12/07/2009 2:56:43 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth THEY finally begin December 2009 (Keep flammables away from TV 12/10))
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To: narses

Oh yes it would have been much better to let the millions more including children have died in a ground invasion?

At least you’re open and honest about hating the US epecially the troops.


297 posted on 12/07/2009 2:57:55 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth THEY finally begin December 2009 (Keep flammables away from TV 12/10))
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To: UFC Pride K1

Another atheist being honest about wanting every soldier dead.

You wanted a ground invasion to kill more of our soldiers. Who cares if many more civilians would have died in a ground invasion.

Sickening disgusting people.


298 posted on 12/07/2009 2:59:23 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth THEY finally begin December 2009 (Keep flammables away from TV 12/10))
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To: narses
How does the killing of an innocent child ever become moral?

When God says it is. You might remember a few instances where He says to kill every man, woman, and child in a given city. I suppose God's a war criminal in your eyes, too, right? My Soldiers blasted a 12-year old boy in Iraq. He opened up on us with an AK47, handed to him by his Al Qaeda buddies. I distinctly remember looking down at his bloody corpse, trying to muster up SOME sympathy, but utterly failing. I guess I'm a war criminal, too, right?

Moreover, do you know what the invasion plan for Japan was? It involved nerve gassing millions of people (the estimated casualties were to be around three million). And that was before one Soldier stepped foot on the ground, not counting any other air raids or naval bombardment in preparation for the invasion.

How should the war have been concluded, to your view?

299 posted on 12/07/2009 3:00:23 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: UFC Pride K1

So killing many more in a ground invasion would have been okay?

At least your honest about wishing death on every american soldier.


300 posted on 12/07/2009 3:00:28 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth THEY finally begin December 2009 (Keep flammables away from TV 12/10))
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