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To: annalex
Does the writer still believe [the supernaturalist story]? He is an enthusiastically Catholic priest with an amazing story of conversion. What makes you think he doesn't?

He calls it a story.

... You kept saying it seems red to you, it seems like it seems red to you, you believe it is red, you believe that you believe it is red, and so forth. Not once did you say that it is red. - Raymond Smullyan, An Epistemological Nightmare

I read that in Douglas Hofstadter's, The Mind's Eye, and it has always crystalized for me the point that professions of belief are confessions of doubt. True belief is transparent. When you look at a pen on the desk, you don't think, "The light entering my eyes indicates to me that there is a pen on the desk", you think, "there's my pen". People recognize this and look with wonder and envy on the true belief that children have in the fantastic.

40 posted on 11/25/2009 8:33:25 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
I know there is a pen on my desk for two reasons: (1) it looks it and (2) there is no reason to think it is something else that only looks like a pen (James Bond's rocket launcher?) If, however, (2) had no longer held, I would have faith in that being a pen, or the opposite faith in that being a rocket launcher. So there is no dissimilarity: the eye of faith applies to the natural world just like it applies to the supernatural. Faith and reason cooperate to produce knowledge. People who think otherwise don't think with enough clarity and suffer from nightmares.

More specifically to Christianity, it is about believing a witness who tells you a story. Ours is a belief in the supernatural because it was revealed in a certain natural and historical context. Here is how St. Justin Martyr explained it in 2c.:

Chapter 30. Was Christ not a magician?
But lest any one should meet us with the question, What should prevent that He whom we call Christ, being a man born of men, performed what we call His mighty works by magical art, and by this appeared to be the Son of God? We will now offer proof, not trusting mere assertions, but being of necessity persuaded by those who prophesied [of Him] before these things came to pass, for with our own eyes we behold things that have happened and are happening just as they were predicted; and this will, we think appear even to you the strongest and truest evidence.

The First Apology

It is, in short, a story.

41 posted on 11/26/2009 9:43:06 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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