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The Vatican and the Lefebvrists: Not a Negotiation
Catholic Exchange ^ | November 21, 2009 | George Weigel

Posted on 11/21/2009 5:27:42 AM PST by NYer

Prior to the opening of formal conversations between officials of the Holy See and leaders of the Lefebvrist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), which began on Oct. 26, the mainstream media frequently misrepresented these discussions as a negotiation aimed at achieving a compromise that both sides can live with. That was to be expected from reporters and commentators for whom everything is politics and everything is thus negotiable. Alas, similar misrepresentations came from “Vatican insiders” who suggested that the teaching of the Second Vatican Council was under joint review by the Holy See and the SSPX, which only made matters worse.

Here is what’s going on here, and what isn’t.
1. The conversations between leaders of the SSPX and the Holy See are just that: conversations. These are not negotiations, for there is nothing to be negotiated; nor is this a dialogue between equal partners. On the one hand, we have the bishop of Rome and those curial officials whose work is an extension of his papal office; on the other hand, we have a society of clergy who have been living in disobedience to the Roman pontiff for decades, and their lay followers, many of whom are more confused than willfully schismatic. The purpose of these conversations is to make clear what the Second Vatican Council taught (especially about the nature of the Church), to listen politely to what the SSPX has to say, and to invite the SSPX back into the full communion of the Catholic Church, which the SSPX broke in 1988 when Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre committed the schismatic act of illicitly ordaining bishops without the authorization of the Roman pontiff (and against the direct, personal pleas of Pope John Paul II).

2. Despite what some “Vatican insiders” have said, these conversations do not represent a bold initiative by the Holy See; and despite the carping from the mainstream media, these conversations are not a craven papal concession to the demands of angry traditionalists whose dissent from Vatican II Benedict XVI is alleged to share. Rather, the conversations now underway are an act of pastoral charity by the pope, who is quite clear about the settled doctrine of the Church and who wishes to invite all, including members of the SSPX, to adhere to that doctrine. Nor is this about mutual enrichment; it is not easy to see how the Catholic Church is to be theologically enriched by the ideas of those who, whatever the depth of their traditional liturgical piety, reject the mid-20th century reform of Catholic thought of which Joseph Ratzinger was a leader. The pope is under no illusions on this score; his purpose is to invite the SSPX back into full communion, thus preventing the schism of 1988 from becoming a permanent wound in the Mystical Body of Christ.

3. The issues to be engaged in these conversations do not involve liturgy; the pope has addressed the legitimate pastoral needs of SSPX clergy and SSPX-affiliated laity by his decree allowing the unrestricted use of the 1962 Roman Missal. The real questions have to do with other matters. Does the SSPX accept the teaching of the Second Vatican Council on religious freedom as a fundamental human right that can be known by both reason and revelation? Does the SSPX accept that the age of altar-and-throne alliances, confessional states, and legally established Catholicism is over, and that the Catholic Church rejects the use of coercive state power on behalf of its truth claims? Does the SSPX accept the Council’s teaching on Jews and Judaism as laid down in Vatican II’s “Declaration on Non-Christian Religions” (“Nostra Aetate”), and does the SSPX repudiate all anti-Semitism? Does the SSPX accept the Council’s teaching on the imperative of pursuing Christian unity in truth and the Council’s teaching that elements of truth and sanctity exist in other Christian communities, and indeed in other religious communities?

Those are the real issues. Conversation about them is always welcome. Those who confuse conversation with negotiation make genuine conversation all the more difficult.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; ecumenism; georgeweigel; lefebvre; nostraaetate; religiousliberty; sspx; v2; vatican; vatican2; vaticanii; vii; weigel
George Weigel is author of the bestselling books The Courage to Be Catholic: Crisis, Reform, and the Future of the Church and Letters to a Young Catholic
1 posted on 11/21/2009 5:27:43 AM PST by NYer
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3 posted on 11/21/2009 7:06:28 AM PST by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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There’s more to these conversations than polite listening. Otherwise what’s the point? The Pope is concerned that the Vatican II documents have been interpreted as a break with the tradition. The SSPX folks have insisted that there has been a a break with tradition. Hence the talks will focus on how the documents are to be interpreted so as not to be a break with the tradition. Fr. Brunero Gherardini has in fact asked the Holy Father to issue an autoritative interpretation of the documents to show their continuity with tradition and to clarify any ambiguities and reject interpretations which have argued for a new church which began in 1965.


4 posted on 11/21/2009 7:22:16 AM PST by Rampolla
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The article seems fair. Weigel seems to be hit or miss. Very careful about the authority of the Church when it faces traditionalists. He should reflect more on himself.
5 posted on 11/21/2009 7:26:41 AM PST by TradicalRC (The peace sign is the new swastika.)
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I think Weigel is all wet on his reading of the topics at hand. The questions are not whether the SSPX accepts the various things George Weigel would like them to accept; the questions are what do various things mean? And what are Catholics actually required to believe?

For instance, what does religious liberty mean? It presumably cannot mean exactly the opposite of what it meant before Vatican II (e.g., the condemned idea that man is free to choose not to believe truth).

It is that sort of thing that is the puzzling aspect of Vatican II. As vague as the conclusions it made seem to be, what does it really mean, and what must Catholics believe about it? That is what I believe is being discussed.


6 posted on 11/21/2009 8:02:00 AM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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I think Weigel is all wet on his reading of the topics at hand. The questions are not whether the SSPX accepts the various things George Weigel would like them to accept; the questions are what do various things mean?

Well said. Weigel has been a disappointment in the way he allows his personal bias to color his commentary on traditional Catholic issues.

7 posted on 11/21/2009 12:24:20 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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For instance, what does religious liberty mean? It presumably cannot mean exactly the opposite of what it meant before Vatican II (e.g., the condemned idea that man is free to choose not to believe truth).

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8 posted on 11/22/2009 7:07:50 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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