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To: mdmathis6
No God, no need for morals and ethics, no need for civil society, no mortar to hold rational society together. Law of the jungle stuff...and in the end let’s just nuke it all!

You are confusing atheism and agnosticism. Atheism rejects the notion of God. Agnosticism states that their is no way to know if God exists or not IN THIS LIFE.

All agnostics I know, my former self included, figured we'd be finding out the truth of the situation once we kicked the bucket. There is still plenty of "face the wrath of an angry God" incentive factor to be good in this system.

-Yossarian (FORMER agnostic)

23 posted on 11/19/2009 9:35:15 AM PST by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian

glad to know u r a former agnostic. congrats.


24 posted on 11/19/2009 9:48:11 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: Yossarian

I haven’t confused agnosticism and atheism...I don’t see the difference when it comes to understanding the lynch pins that undergird morals and ethics. Whether one doesn’t believe there is a God or if one kind of believes(but we can’t ultimately know for sure) but wants to keep his/her options open makes no difference in terms of having no solid point of reference in even having discussions of morality with those who are believers.

The only point of reference believers have with non believers are that we are all sinful men whereas nonbelievers,atheists and agnostics have no concepts of good or evil other than what they “borrow”(or cover themselves with a la “fig leaves”) from the cultural influences of believers. The most clever of the evil ones, connected and infested in the highest of our politics, certain church denominations, and media know of the restraining power of our Judeo Christian past; all of them recognize that it must all be pulled down so that their evil schemes can be brought to fruition.

I think many self avowed book writing atheists and agnostics are by and large patsies...the craftiest and most dangerous of the evil ones are those who promote such folk and give them utterance via the media and courts. They know what they are doing as they are, and some would acknowledge when pressed, in league with Satan. Indeed, some see Satan as the antidote against the “oppressive” EL.

You know what the story of Prometheus was really all about, don’t you?....Satan’s Apologetic(his personal mein kampf); a time diluted story of “his struggle” against our “cruel oppressor” who wanted to leave us humans completely “in the dark”, ignorant of our “true god like status”!


25 posted on 11/19/2009 10:57:08 AM PST by mdmathis6
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