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To: marshmallow

>>Casting doubt on the canonization of one man casts doubt on the process itself. If one canonization is open to question then all are. <<

I know of many Catholics who have been questioning the “Fast Track” canonizations for a while.

Occurrences that they are accepting as “miracles” have been dumbed down. One, instead of three? Come on. So yes, when JPII is made a saint, I will (as will many others) doubt the process. We do now.

And honestly, as with apparitions none of us have to believe in any of them. I do not believe that with all the harm JPII did to his flock, with his inactivity and rock star mentality, that he should be sainted.

The Vatican should take this very slowly instead of doing what is popular.


9 posted on 11/17/2009 1:33:35 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
If miracles are not true miracles and the process is flawed, then who is a saint? Mother Teresa? Kolbe? Sr. Faustina? Fr. Damien? Some of the above? None of the above? Only those approved by you? If what you say is true then the process is meaningless.

The Pope will sign off on it, if and when it happens. If his Papal Decree requires your approval, doesn't that make you Pope?

As for JPII, the liberals take just the opposite view and call him an ogre who did his best to squelch the "reforms" in the Church. They hated him for Ecclesia Dei and his dogmatic pronouncement on women "priests". Some conservatives, on the other hand, think he wasn't Catholic enough.

So goes the fluctuating tide of human opinion.

10 posted on 11/17/2009 1:50:54 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: netmilsmom

There are two miracles required: one for his beatification and one for his canonization.

The Holy Spirit will stop the process dead in its tracks if the Lord doesn’t want JPII to be recognized as a saint. There are many steps along the way where He has the opportunity to do that. That thought makes me feel more confidant about the process.


13 posted on 11/17/2009 2:56:38 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (New Wizard of Oz: Pelosi as the Wicked Witch of the West & Michelle as the Wicked Witch of the East.)
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