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To: netmilsmom
Canonization involves a decree that allows veneration of the saint in the liturgy. ALLOW. Not required. We are not required to venerate any saint.

As with your point about Marian apparitions, so what?

The reason veneration of Marian apparitions is not obligatory is because they add nothing to the deposit of faith which is sufficient for salvation.

It has precisely nothing to do with the Church possibly getting it wrong when it gives the thumbs up to the likes of Lourdes and Fatima or any other apparition. The lack of an obligation to venerate is not an admission of possible error.

Do I believe that when JPII makes it to heaven he will be a saint? Yes.

"When"? Shouldn't it be "if"? As I've asked before, how do you know if JPII is going to heaven? You don't, do you?

They only way you know for sure is if the Church canonizes him. Which brings me back to the original question. I've asked repeatedly if you'd concur with the Church's verdict if he is canonized. You've yet to answer me.

50 posted on 11/18/2009 12:23:12 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

>>As I’ve asked before, how do you know if JPII is going to heaven?<<

Because I believe in the Catechism of the Catholic Church along with the reports that JPII received Last Rites. Faith tells me that he died in a state of grace.

How much Purgatory time he has to do is what is in doubt.

I don’t really care about the rockstar the man was. I care about what a shepherd he was. A poor one.

So read the thread and come to any conclusion you like, but I feel no need to put credence into the rants on an Internet site. You have the same right. And if my opinion makes someone uncomfortable, that just means it rings true.


54 posted on 11/18/2009 12:58:34 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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