>>You asked for the source of my first quote - it was Catholic Encyclopedia. If you don’t like the source, I can’t help you.<<
The source of the quote uses itself as a reference in the footnotes.
If this was the AP, how much validity would be put into it?
I gave you a quote from the Catechism that says nothing about a requirement to venerate a certain Saint. Do you have a quote from the CCC or the Vatican itself? Catholics here on FR won’t accept New Advent quotes without backing from the Vatican at other times, and from Catholic to Catholic, it should be that way.
Venerating the Communion of Saints is required.
>> “What makes a saint (someone in heaven) different from a Canonized Saint is the veneration.”
Well, no. Actually, the difference is the official recognition of the Church. The public veneration is what is permitted (or required) after the recognition.<<
Yes and the veneration is not allowed without the recognition. Swirl the words however one may, if there was no desire to venerate, there would be no reason to recognize.
The whole thing is a moot point until JPII is canonized. Until that time, anyone is free to speak out against it. That won’t win one a popularity contest, but anyone is allowed an opinion.
Sorry, the Catholic Encyclopedia is good enough for me unless I have some personal knowledge to the contrary, or someone presents something authoritative contradicting it.
You haven't presented anything to contradict what it says.
As well, I've seen it said and argued elsewhere (including on FR) that canonizations are at least binding and quite possibly infallible.
“Yes and the veneration is not allowed without the recognition.”
You still got the cause and effect backwards.
“The whole thing is a moot point until JPII is canonized. Until that time, anyone is free to speak out against it.”
Perhaps you didn't mean it, but your previous posts seemed to cast doubt on whether or not you believe that someone could be canonized in error, in other words, that someone could be canonized who was not actually in Heaven at the time of canonization.
The only issue for me is that those who call themselves Catholic acknowledge that the Church's canonizations are true.
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As well, the actual content of many of the criticisms against Pope John Paul II are just so much raw sewage.
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This is what you said that is problematic:
“And honestly, as with apparitions none of us have to believe in any of them.”
Canonizations are binding expressions of the Magisterium.
One may not “disbelieve” a canonization.
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