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To: netmilsmom
Please do not attribute motivation. It is against the rules of the Religion Forum. The teachings of the Church say that everyone has a chance to make it to heaven. Therefore, no matter what different schism Catholics (and why they would be brought up at this point, I have no clue) everyone who truly repents and receives absolution can make it to heaven. We also have Purgatory to deal with.

Duh!

Apart from lecturing me on the rules of FR, I have no idea what you're saying.

Let me rephrase the question.

If I understand you correctly you have serious "doubts" that JPII is a saint because he presided over a disaster in the Church. Yet at the same time you consider that he will one day be in heaven. The question is really simple. Try to answer it.

What leads you to believe that JPII's eternal destiny is in heaven and not, for instance, in hell??

My point about the SSPXers was simply to show that some Catholics do indeed consider that he is condemned to hell. Is their opinion any more or less valuable than yours and why would you disagree with them, which you apparently do?

Um, The Church says that Marian apparitions are supernatural. Yet, we are not required to venerate those apparitions. Blindly following anyone is cultish. I think for myself.

So do I. However, when the Church tells me that Padre Pio, for instance is a saint I humbly accept that ruling without running my own ruler for sanctity over the decision.

I'd also point out that not being required to venerate an apparition is something altogether different from concluding that the Church's decision regarding the authenticity of the apparition is wrong.

Now let's get back to the main point shall we?

In the previous post I posed a simple question which you simply ignored. In order to avoid another lecture on the rules of FR, I'll offer no comment on why that might be and simply repeat it:

If the Church canonizes JPII, will you humbly accept that JPII is a saint of the Church? Yes or no?

Well?

34 posted on 11/18/2009 7:48:47 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

>>Duh! <<

Oh that adds to the discussion. /s/
Go back to your Catechism and the difference between the absolution of sin and reparation for sin.

Once that is established, understand that everyone in heaven is a saint. Canonization, whether formal or informal, does not make someone a saint. It is a declaration that the person is a saint and was a saint even before canonization.

Canonization involves a decree that allows veneration of the saint in the liturgy.

ALLOW. Not required. We are not required to venerate any saint.

Do I believe that when JPII makes it to heaven he will be a saint? Yes
Do I believe he should be venerated? No.
If you do, do it.


37 posted on 11/18/2009 8:36:00 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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