Posted on 11/14/2009 1:09:01 PM PST by NYer
NEW YORK, Oct. 21 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A relic of Saint Mary Magdalene, often referred to as the Apostle of the Apostles, is making its first North American tour. The relic, a major piece of her tibia, will be carried in a reliquary to the United States by Father Thomas Michelet, a French Dominican priest. Its first stop is on October 22nd in Gainesville, Georgia at Saint Michael's Catholic Church where it will be venerated all through the night.
The purpose of the tour, which continues through November 30th, and travels to Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, New York and Florida, is to share the holiness of the relic and to tell the story of the saint who is recorded as the first witness to the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Father Thomas Michelet is touring with the permission of Bishop Dominique Rey of Frejus-Toulon, France, the relic's home. A letter of authentication from Bishop Rey reports that the relics were hidden at the time of the Saracen invasions and rediscovered in 1279, and have been venerated without interruption ever since.
Richard Borgman, a former Protestant evangelical pastor who experienced a dramatic conversion to Catholicism seven years ago, initiated the tour. His interest in Mary Magdalene began when he and his wife, also a lay missionary, lived with Bishop Dominic Rey below the mountains of Saint Baume, the grotto where Mary Magdalene spent the last 30 years of her life. Saint Baume means holy perfume-- the smell that Mary Magdalene's bones gave off when they were found.
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Happy Spaniards who don't have 30 foot tall statues built to them, you mean. :)
or happy William Tyndale being strangled
Hey, he was the one who wanted to play pattycake with Henry Tudor who made himself head of his very own church. Not even Henry has a 30 foot tall statue built by him or anyone else.
or Baptists, pursued by both sides
Brother: (reading from Book of Armaments): And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that, with it, Thou mayest blow Thy Baptist enemies to tiny bits in Thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and large chu--
Brother Maynard: Skip a bit, Brother...
Brother: And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards the Baptists, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.
Brother Maynard: Amen.
King Arthur (Graham Chapman): Right.
On the order of protestant womanizer and church-founder Henry VIII.
More like armed robbery than founding.
Enjoy. We had it here a few days ago at my old parish’s 125th anniversary Mass. Over 1000 people in the Church for the occasion. The procession around the neighborhood was interesting, with both a bagpipe and a mariachi band playing (mostly alternating).
“On the order of protestant womanizer and church-founder Henry VIII.”
Nope. In the Low Countries, after trial by church, and under the authority of Charles V. Henry VIII actually allowed a letter sent in his name to ask for mercy, but it wasn’t paid attention to.
Of course, you KNOW that, since you’ve been on threads where I’ve pointed it out. The FACTS, Petronski. Tried for heresy.
“Tyndale’s three accusers were all professors and doctors of theology of the University of Louvain: the Belgian archives list them as Ruward Tapper, dean of St Peter’s Church in Louvain; Jan Doye, canon of St Peter’s; and Jacobus Latomus, also canon of St Peter’s...Latomus’s Three Books of Confutations against William Tyndale (Confutationum adversus Guilielmum Tindalum libri tres) were written, in some form, within six years of Tyndale’s death”.
Examination by the Catholic Church, then killed under the authority of Charles V, not Henry VIII. Or is there a ‘sacred tradition’ that rewrites history as well as theology?
Mr. Rogers: No translator makes a translation fully faithful to the original text. It isn’t possible
No, no, this is not what Kolo meant. What he said in few words is that Luther intentionally distorted his translation. How do we know that? Luther tells us in no uncertain terms that that's exactly what he did! At least he deserves some credit for honesty...
He said, for example, that he made Moses look so different that no one would ever think he is Jewish!
Luther had issues.
I appreciate the emotional feelings stirred by viewing the aircraft. The same thing happened to me in McMinnville OR viewing the military aircraft and Hugh's Spruce Goose. Dramatic.
But, with all due respect, it is one thing to admire deeply the history and connection to many brave men/women and quite another to believe that your salvation is somehow enhanced by touching, viewing, or thinking about these earthly things.
Voo-doo ping
Amen
What Luther was trying to do is what the New English Bible (NEB) translators described as trying to make the translation read in English like it would if the original writers WERE English.
This leads to ‘dynamic equivalency’, which is both good and bad. For verse by verse study, I like the New American Standard Bible (NASB). It is one of the most literal translations into English. However, it comes at a cost - it doesn’t always ‘read’ right. If I want to read all of Romans at one sitting, the NASB is like jogging in mud.
A freer translation, like the New International Version (NIV), or even more extreme NEB, is much easier to read big passages with, or read out loud to a group. I might miss some nuance, but I’ll gain the ‘Big Picture’.
When you read Luther’s translation notes, it is clear he accepts dynamic equivalency the way the NIV & NEB translators did.
Every translation falls somewhere in the scale between outright paraphrase (the Living Bible) and an utterly unreadable ‘literal’ translation.
Here is an example...1 Kings 21:21:
KJV - “Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel”
NIV - “I am going to bring disaster on you. I will consume your descendants and cut off from Ahab every last male in Israel—slave or free.”
The KJV is more literal, but also more easily misunderstood.
Those are valid translation decisions, not dishonesty.
In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." John 3:3
...which stand in sterling contrast to the invalid, dishonest addition of allein to Romans 3:28 by Luther.
If Catholics believe “salvation is somehow enhanced by touching, viewing, or thinking about these earthly things”, then they are utterly wrong.
Not being Catholic, I don’t know how common that mistake is. When I was in the Philippines, I had the feeling it was pretty common...but in their defense, I would hate to have to vouch for every Baptist that has ever opened his mouth on doctrine!
Luther explained WHY he thought it made the German translation more accurate, IN GERMAN. You can disagree if you wish, and anyone can translate anything they wish into German...but Luther’s translation has been even more dominant in Germany than the KJV has been in England, and that says a lot!
We kinda hashed that out. I believe that the upshot is that the Greek used can mean from above or again; however, when Nicodemus interprets that as born at an advanced age (ie again), Jesus corrects him.
Thank you Petronski. I will read these gladly. Much obliged.
“No, no, this is not what Kolo meant. What he said in few words is that Luther intentionally distorted his translation. How do we know that? Luther tells us in no uncertain terms that that’s exactly what he did! At least he deserves some credit for honesty...”
Thank-you, Kosta mou!
“What Luther was trying to do is what the New English Bible (NEB) translators described as trying to make the translation read in English like it would if the original writers WERE English.”
But the original writers were NOT English.
“Those are valid translation decisions, not dishonesty.”
Yes, well the road to hell is paved with good intentions, MR. R.
No, but any translation must attempt to convey meaning in a different language. A highly literal translation is unreadable...see some babelfish examples. That is why ALL translation - at least of more than a few sentences - will use some dynamic equivalence.
Those of us who don’t speak Greek and Hebrew, or who don’t do it well - a LITTLE Greek can be more misleading than none - have to use translations. Preferably more than one, and if a question arises, use a commentary that can take pages to explain the full implications of the Greek or Hebrew.
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