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To: Markos33
But the idea of her perpetual virginity is flatly contradicted by scripture.

You have not proven this with your post nor by the scripture you quote. Jesus himself said being celibate is better than being married and Paul concurred with this, but only few have this grace. God has done great things for Mary by her own words and I don't know why she wouldn't be graced with this charism.

You are making a huge assumption, no pun intended, by stating that Mary was an ordinary wife which is not based in scripture nor the circumstances surrounding the Incarnation, life, death, Resurrection, etc... of Christ.

Also, the Mother of God was not born with a sinful nature but that is a lengthy discussion for another time.

And I owe you a thank you for the cordial discussion.

277 posted on 11/05/2009 4:17:01 PM PST by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: frogjerk
And I owe you a thank you for the cordial discussion.

I am a Fundamentalist, but I fear that in some Fundamentalist circles they've become Mary bashers in their effort to refute Catholic Church doctrine.
I'll tell you, I would hate to stand before the Lord Jesus being guilty of dishonoring His mother.

Also, the Mother of God was not born with a sinful nature...

Mary was the mother of Jesus, the man, not the mother of God. God has no mother, nor a beginning or end, He is from everlasting to everlasting. Christ is the God man. He was God and man, never being one more than the other.
Jesus, the Lamb of God, died, God cannot die.

Jesus himself said that being celibate is better than being married and Paul concurred with this, but only few have this grace.

"I wish that all men were as I am. But each has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
Now to the unmarried and widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion." 1 Corinthians 7: 7-9

It is good for them to stay unmarried,...
If I'm enjoying an orange and I say that it's good, am I declaring that oranges are better than apples?
Paul was saying that it was good in a sense that there is nothing wrong with it if that is your gift, not that it is better.

I return the gratitude for a civil discussion.
Markos33

278 posted on 11/05/2009 6:30:55 PM PST by Semper Mark ("Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples liberty's teeth.")
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